GDT - Week 16 - Lions @ Elks

[Hugoagogo]

[Hugoagogo]

[eskfan152]

Can’t make this week’s game, and for the first time in a long time I’m disappointed. They are playing some fun football right now.

[ben_the_eskimo]

Zero changes from last week, that’s nice to see!

[ben_the_eskimo]

Can’t make this week’s game, and for the first time in a long time I’m disappointed. They are playing some fun football right now.

It’ll be a real shame if they can’t squeak into the playoffs because they’re probably the most exciting team in the league to watch lately.

I don’t think anybody wants to play them right now.

[turftoe27]

Good to see Foucault starting, Word was he is dealing with a sore back. Hopefully we can run against them like the Bombers did to slow the pass rush a bit. Lions have dressed around eight D linemen to keep the rushers fresh. Still wish Ceresna was back at DT, maybe none of our other DT's aren't mobile enough to move outside.

[Looner]

Zero changes from last week, that’s nice to see!

agreed, we have our core group of players and can see that based on the game day lineup.

[Sectionq]

I will be interested to see how Ford does against a much more formidable defense. The Lions will have lots of film on what he does well. I am also interested to see how Ford does against a team that actually has a decent offense. No offense to Ottawa, Hamilton, Calgary and Sask but those teams aren't super strong, most of them have young, developing QB's who are learning the league themselves and have lulls in the game like Ford does. So far when Ford and the offense has gone cold or come out at times very sluggish, the other teams offense wasn't able to rack up points and make it so the game was out of reach.

Ford has shown some potential so far but doing well against a good Lions team will catch my attention.

[eskfan152]

I will be interested to see how Ford does against a much more formidable defense. The Lions will have lots of film on what he does well. I am also interested to see how Ford does against a team that actually has a decent offense. No offense to Ottawa, Hamilton, Calgary and Sask but those teams aren't super strong, most of them have young, developing QB's who are learning the league themselves and have lulls in the game like Ford does. So far when Ford and the offense has gone cold or come out at times very sluggish, the other teams offense wasn't able to rack up points and make it so the game was out of reach.

Why do you hate him so much?

[Sectionq]

Why do you hate him so much?

Is this a serious question? I am trying to figure out when I have said I hate the guy, do you mind pointing that out to me please?

Is he not a developing QB?
I think he's started like 6 games (Someone can correct that number if it's not right) So I believe with that limited amount of games played, he's still developing.

Has the offense not gone through long stretches of being sluggish or not moving the ball?
Assistant GM Simon literally said at the beginning of this week after last game the offense didn't play well for 3 quarters then turned in on in the 4th. So does that not say to you, they were sluggish? Seems like it to me.

I have repeatedly said he is showing potential, he does good things, it's nice to see them winning. I have said I would like to see him pass the ball more rather than run as much as he does. I have said I hope he along with the OC get him to pass more as the season goes on so he continues to improve his passing because I think in the CFL, your QB has to be able to pass. I know he is an outstanding runner but he's still developing as passer. He hasn't played a lot so that's to be expected.

To date, he has had success as a QB beating weaker teams. That's a fact. Ottawa, Hamilton, Calgary and Sask aren't great teams. Those teams combined record is 19-36 this year. You don't have those records if your team is good. I am happy he has had success against those teams. I am happy they won. As he continues to develop, the next steps for him are for he and his offense to be more consistent throughout the whole game vs spurts and to have success against better teams. That's the progression we all should be hoping happens. He looks like he has the potential to do that but it's got to actually happen which we will see if it can. Hopefully it will.

At the beginning of the season, I wasn't one that thought they should play Ford right away because he didn't play a lot in college, his college training was Canadian University and there is overwhelming evidence that Canadian University players take longer to develop. Due to competition, Canadian University QB's usually don't work out so I felt he needed more development time.

So I am struggling to see how me stating facts about Ford is hate. Everything I have said is 100% true and even backed up by the freaking management and coaching staff. So I don't get where your comment is coming from.

This kind of comment is why I post way, way less than I used too in here. I am in my mid 40's and have watched and been going to games since as long as I can remember. I was a knothole game kid. We as a family drove from RD for EVERY GAME for 25 yrs as season ticket holders. I cheer for Edmonton, I want them to do well always but I have never been a fan and never will be a fan who blindly accepts everything they do as great no matter what. For the majority of my time as a fan of the Edmonton team, they won. So my expectations are they win every year. When they don't, I am not happy and I am going to voice my displeasure. This isn't participation sports where no matter what, everyone gets a ribbon, it's pro sports where the only thing that matters is winning. So if me speaking the truth about the team vs being all sunshine and rainbows offends you, that's your problem. But no where in my comments have I said I hate the guy.

[bone]

I will be interested to see how Ford does against a much more formidable defense. The Lions will have lots of film on what he does well. I am also interested to see how Ford does against a team that actually has a decent offense. No offense to Ottawa, Hamilton, Calgary and Sask but those teams aren't super strong, most of them have young, developing QB's who are learning the league themselves and have lulls in the game like Ford does. So far when Ford and the offense has gone cold or come out at times very sluggish, the other teams offense wasn't able to rack up points and make it so the game was out of reach.

Ford has shown some potential so far but doing well against a good Lions team will catch my attention.

Are you seriously considering VAJ as an unflappable veteran QB? Lions offense is completely about the strength of the unit overall, not because of VAJ.

For the defense part of things, at least we can comfortably say he should be able to do better against that Lions D than Cornelius did.

[Hugoagogo]

[bone]

I have said I would like to see him pass the ball more rather than run as much as he does. I have said I hope he along with the OC get him to pass more as the season goes on so he continues to improve his passing because I think in the CFL, your QB has to be able to pass. I know he is an outstanding runner but he's still developing as passer. He hasn't played a lot so that's to be expected.

Last week, out of 28 play calls that weren't Kevin Brown handoffs he passed 20 times. Considering about 3 or 4 of those were called QB rushes, I don't think scrambling for yards on 4 or 5 times in a game on called passing plays is a bad thing necessarily as it likely softens up the coverage on the receivers to get cleaner pass looks.

To date, he has had success as a QB beating weaker teams. That's a fact. Ottawa, Hamilton, Calgary and Sask aren't great teams. Those teams combined record is 19-36 this year. You don't have those records if your team is good. I am happy he has had success against those teams. I am happy they won. As he continues to develop, the next steps for him are for he and his offense to be more consistent throughout the whole game vs spurts and to have success against better teams. That's the progression we all should be hoping happens. He looks like he has the potential to do that but it's got to actually happen which we will see if it can. Hopefully it will.

Against the exact same teams over their last 6 games (substituting one Calgary game for a Montreal matchup), this same BC team has gone 3-3 and likely should be 2-4 if not for a complete collapse in a couple minutes by Ottawa. They were outscored 185-168 over those 6 games (~31-28 average score), compared to the Elks outscoring the opposition 175-153 (about 29-26 average score). But VAJ is a veteran all-star QB I guess that Ford can't hold a candle to and BC's defense is an impenetrable force.

[adb]

I would say that building up a 22 point lead on the WBBs who I would not classify as a weak team shows that he has had some success against good teams. I would not pin that loss on TF in any way shape or form. Offense got conservative once they got up which I think the OC (and possibly HC) need to take some ownership for and the defense fell apart. BC Lions will be a test and I likewise look forward to seeing how TF does and am optimistic that he will have some success but that being said he is a work in progress albeit at a so far very impressive level.

[Sectionq]

Are you seriously considering VAJ as an unflappable veteran QB? Lions offense is completely about the strength of the unit overall, not because of VAJ.

For the defense part of things, at least we can comfortably say he should be able to do better against that Lions D than Cornelius did.

My god, this place is exhausting and the fun is being taken out of it for me.

Adams is 30 and has 75 starts.

Maier is 26 and has 25 start, this season being his first as a legit starter.
Dolegala is 26 and I think has 5 starts.
Powel is 25 and has 8 starts.
Crum is 24 and has 13 starts.


So yes Bone, I would consider Adams and his 75 starts more of a veteran than the QB's for Ottawa, Hamiltion and Sask. Maier being the "senior" of those young QB's but still isn't as experienced as Adams. No where in my comment did I say what so ever Adam's is "unflappable" you made that up. All I said is those other QB's are young and inexperienced compared to the Lions QB which they are.