Double E Game #2 THE HOME OPENER!

[ben_the_eskimo]

The one thing I agree on with those that support Tre , critically or blindly is we have to let him start games and develop

we all like va but those early years in sask and Montreal were rough in a lot of places

my only gripe is we gotta find ways generate offence and concepts to suit tre

The 2 three and outs after the fg were dire

VA’s a great example.

I’m realistic, I am critical of the parts of his game that need to improve but I’m excited by the potential I see and would rather stick with him through the struggles in order to gain the rewards on the other end.

Which I also wish we had done with Maas as you said earlier.

[bone]

Seeing a bunch of people complaining about a game plan that is trying to improve Ford's effectiveness in the pocket are completely barking up the wrong tree.

If you want an Oline to provide pass protection the best way to do that is keeping the QB in the pocket and him in turn delivering on the quick hitting non-sexy 7-10 yard plays you need to sustain drives and give the defense time to recover before returning to the field.

If you go into evey play expecting Ford to run all over the place he's going to take a lot of punishment and he'll be on the IR more often than you'd like.

His ability to become dangerous out of the pocket is an amazing asset to have to create plays when the standard play isn't available or the oline gets beat, but if its your go to move every play you're just going to see a lot of 2 and out series as it's much lower percentage and a defense that will tire early and get torched.

Appreciated that yesterday, the defense just shat itself immediately so it wasn't the reason yesterday, but as the defense starts to gel, sustaining drives will be crucial even for the drives that don't score.

[ben_the_eskimo]

You are correct. As painful as it is to watch the HC, DC, and QB struggle at critical times, they will get better, learning from their mistakes. There were moments when I wondered why we were playing so much soft zone. Alexander was picking us apart for easy first downs. I was impressed how much the ALS were using roll out packages to stymie our pressure. Something we would be well advised to incorporate. Maybe the deep throws could have been tried sooner just to pose that threat in the Als minds. I don’t know why we fail in so many 2nd and 7 situations. Other teams have solved that problem.
Last year we went 0 and 7 . Hope we can do better this year, I believe the talent is there.

Ceresna said after the game that they had too many communication breakdowns on D that lead to big plays.

I think that’s a function of so many guys playing together for the first time in a new system and *should prove in time.

That said I expected more out of this defence early on.

[Esks4ever]

Seeing a bunch of people complaining about a game plan that is trying to improve Ford's effectiveness in the pocket are completely barking up the wrong tree.

If you want an Oline to provide pass protection the best way to do that is keeping the QB in the pocket and him in turn delivering on the quick hitting non-sexy 7-10 yard plays you need to sustain drives and give the defense time to recover before returning to the field.

If you go into evey play expecting Ford to run all over the place he's going to take a lot of punishment and he'll be on the IR more often than you'd like.

His ability to become dangerous out of the pocket is an amazing asset to have to create plays when the standard play isn't available or the oline gets beat, but if its your go to move every play you're just going to so a lot of 2 and out series as it's much lower percentage and ultimately a defense that will tire early and get torched.

part agree part disagree. I never said every play but some movement should be done more than just sitting in the pocket. Slight pocket movement even. I get why they are keeping hm in the pocket ... he needs to be efficient in both styles or he'll just be another Nealon Greene and I'd like to think hes better than Nealon. If they want him in the pocket have some designed and called QB running plays I'm not sure the Oline can do anything right now to help him. oh and show him footage of Damon Allen

Its only game 2. I normally start to panic come week 4.

[Esks4ever]

The one thing I agree on with those that support Tre , critically or blindly is we have to let him start games and develop

we all like va but those early years in sask and Montreal were rough in a lot of places

my only gripe is we gotta find ways generate offence and concepts to suit tre

The 2 three and outs after the fg were dire

Not sure if the OC knows how to.... instead he'll keep attempting to turn him into a pocket passer. How many designed QB runs have we seen... not from breakdowns.. but actual calls? 0?

[cmbuk]

Seeing a bunch of people complaining about a game plan that is trying to improve Ford's effectiveness in the pocket are completely barking up the wrong tree.

If you want an Oline to provide pass protection the best way to do that is keeping the QB in the pocket and him in turn delivering on the quick hitting non-sexy 7-10 yard plays you need to sustain drives and give the defense time to recover before returning to the field.

If you go into evey play expecting Ford to run all over the place he's going to take a lot of punishment and he'll be on the IR more often than you'd like.

His ability to become dangerous out of the pocket is an amazing asset to have to create plays when the standard play isn't available or the oline gets beat, but if its your go to move every play you're just going to see a lot of 2 and out series as it's much lower percentage and a defense that will tire early and get torched.

Appreciated that yesterday, the defense just shat itself immediately so it wasn't the reason yesterday, but as the defense starts to gel, sustaining drives will be crucial even for the drives that don't score.

Ok I’ll bite…
lol

there were several examples of Ford ignoring the quick game yesterday … we have to generate yardage to make 2nd and manageable or convert 2nd and managables

Ford isn’t a runner as much as he isn’t a passer ..

for me as a Oc, I would be utilising dart concepts,
playactions, to get Ford on the move and sure it makes the reads halved but it’s a chance to get Ford on the edge often..
this would compliment our inside vertical run game

don’t get me wrong there are concepts like snag and corner and mills and sail.. u got stand in that pocket and step into it when the pressure comes

atm Ford is taking sacks when the ball should have been gone, Ford is rolling into sacks because the pass pro isn’t designed that way it’s vertical drop

quick game is king in football .. everyone gets Carried away with rpos and running the qb but quick game is king it’s why maas and his offences are so good

then you take your shots and attack vertically when u can

I have watched the game back this afternoon and its not as bad as live but for me the question marks stand

i think you also have to look at maksymic and his running / leanin on the run game.. it just isn’t a trait of his to run the ball a lot

there are ways schematically we can stay on the field..
right now we’re not doing a good enough job..

and it’s not just Ford and its def not on the oline

[cmbuk]

Not sure if the OC knows how to.... instead he'll keep attempting to turn him into a pocket passer. How many designed QB runs have we seen... not from breakdowns.. but actual calls? 0?

I don’t think we need to run him as much as the threat of runnin is a a factor

our quick game is not up to standard
and I think that’s because either Ford is looking for the shot or is trying to generate shots

remember no one was more vertical than Reilly under Maas.. we had a great run back then

but Ford isn’t Reilly and we shouldn’t expect him to be

i did say that Thorpes defence would be trouble for Tre and it showed..

[ben_the_eskimo]

I dunno.. Its possible his quote meant something else in his brain and didn't think it'd be interpreted as you dont care to learn systems but who knows.

as for the last season thing - i wouldn't read much into. he was ****ed around a lot and his mindset could have been I'm outt here till Hervey talked with him.

He said “we have to focus on doing what we do as opposed to so much gameplan stuff” which I took to mean they want to play to their strengths and dictate the game by imposing the things they do well rather than focusing too much on just trying to play according to whatever “the book” so-to-speak happens be on a particular opponent.

[ben_the_eskimo]

agreed. How many new starters do we have? By my count it’s 8 on D and 4 on O, that's a lot of turnover. Let’s take a breath and give them some time. I'm applying my 3 year philosophy to Herveys plan and this is year one of the rebuild. Just don't keep blowing it up and trust the process

Exactly. I know it’s hard given the past few years around here but patience is needed right now.

[eskfan152]

Your saying we will be the ESKIMOS again starting next season? I pray that your correct , who or what is your sources ? Are they legit and from internal Eskimos organization ??as a 50 year diehards ESKIMOS fan I’d be so pumped going back to the old name , I refuse to buy anything Elks , only the EE logo , just got 2 brand new style hats in mail as I live in Sask and I still call them ESKIMOS, how true is this name change for next season and who are your sources ?

Being very honest in saying that it was online banter from guys claiming to have solid sources so I don’t know who they are, but the rumblings are getting louder. From all the signs in the stadium with the Elk logo gone, I’d think there’s something to these rumblings.

[eskfan152]

Pretty telling if the team has stripped all reference to the name from the stadium and I see absolutely nothing referencing Elks on their new jerseys. Not even a tiny symbol. Plus I see they brought the Bear back. Is the Elk mascot even there?

Yup, Spike the elk is gone and Nanook is back. The old fire truck is labeled as Edmonton Eskimos.

[eskfan152]

we knew that was happening in the offseason.. just going to be called the double E. ( for now ) knock on wood.

They are still called the elks and the verbally used the name all night on the PA. But the visual references are all gone.

[Hammer24]

Being very honest in saying that it was online banter from guys claiming to have solid sources so I don’t know who they are, but the rumblings are getting louder. From all the signs in the stadium with the Elk logo gone, I’d think there’s something to these rumblings.

I think the fuss made by the factions who didn't like the Eskimos moniker before it was changed might pale in comparison to the fuss the same group will make if the organization tries to bring it back

[eskfan152]

I think the fuss made by the factions who didn't like the Eskimos moniker before it was changed might pale in comparison to the fuss the same group will make if the organization tries to bring it back

But if the club does it right and goes through the proper channels in getting approval like the ones Q outlined we could get our old club back with success and support. And the sponsors who were a part in making noise for the group have pulled their support regardless so they’re gone already.

[ben_the_eskimo]

But if the club does it right and goes through the proper channels in getting approval like the ones Q outlined we could get our old club back with success and support. And the sponsors who were a part in making noise for the group have pulled their support regardless so they’re gone already.

Plus the political pendulum has swung back a little bit towards the middle as of late. I think a lot of people are getting tired of the woke pandering and just want to get on with life.