2015 Edmonton Rush thread

[Opus]

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Massive congrats to the Rush!!!

[56Parkies]

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[Lick My Cleats]

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Well done boyz! What a game ... Congrats to the Rush.

Mark Mathews is a beauty ... 8 points tonight ... love it.... way to go MVP!

Bold was huge at Key moments ... best Goalie in the NLL.

Coach Keenan drawing up the go ahead play at the half and throwing the flag on the called back goal ... if he doesn't win Coach and G.M. of the year there is something wrong.

[eskfan152]

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Ya my voice is gone. That was so much fun and a terrific game! No team was ever in complete control and it came down to the last few seconds before I was comfortable! Congrats Rush!!

[Lick My Cleats]

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http://m.edmontonsun.com/2015/05/20/...s-relationship

Iveson fires back at Urban. Northlands isn't happy with Bruce's comments either. Urban sounds like a real baby who already has a relocation deal in place.

Ummmm so the Oilers offer Urban a dollar for the Rush, because the hold all the cards ... that's right $1. The City put the Oilers in control of the new arena when they caved to Katz demands and now they refuse to intercede on scheduling, because they made a deal with the devil.

Iveson is a do nothing Mayor, who want's more notice to come to a playoff game???? How the heck would he get more notice when the schedule is being set a week or two in advance???? Urban is right Iveson is tool.

Now that Northlands is being pushed to close down Rexall, because the OEG and the Katz Group doesn't want any competition in the arena business and the Rush have nowhere to play. Urban has 3 choices:

- Fold
- Move
- Sell for $1

Which would you choose after finally making money, after losing millions? Move it is and what that means is the Saskatoon Rush will kick the snot out of any Oiler Owned NLL team for 10 + years ... another Oiler rebuild gone wrong, but in Lacrosse this time ... these clowns make money in spite of themselves, because rubes just give it to them.

Oh well, this is why Edmonton is a laughing stock in the world of sport ... we keep snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Well done Rush and see you .... you are welcome Saskatoon ... now if we could just get the Oil to move to say Hamilton????

[GREYx14]

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All of the politics and drama aside (for a day or two at least please!), I am very happy that the Rush won. It's been an exceedingly rough road for them the last 10 years. Huge congrats guys!

[Esks1949]

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Congratulations!

I like to think this is the song playing in the locker room:

[Muley69]

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Ummmm so the Oilers offer Urban a dollar for the Rush, because the hold all the cards ... that's right $1. The City put the Oilers in control of the new arena when they caved to Katz demands and now they refuse to intercede on scheduling, because they made a deal with the devil.

Iveson is a do nothing Mayor, who want's more notice to come to a playoff game???? How the heck would he get more notice when the schedule is being set a week or two in advance???? Urban is right Iveson is tool.

Now that Northlands is being pushed to close down Rexall, because the OEG and the Katz Group doesn't want any competition in the arena business and the Rush have nowhere to play. Urban has 3 choices:

- Fold
- Move
- Sell for $1

Which would you choose after finally making money, after losing millions? Move it is and what that means is the Saskatoon Rush will kick the snot out of any Oiler Owned NLL team for 10 + years ... another Oiler rebuild gone wrong, but in Lacrosse this time ... these clowns make money in spite of themselves, because rubes just give it to them.

Oh well, this is why Edmonton is a laughing stock in the world of sport ... we keep snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Well done Rush and see you .... you are welcome Saskatoon ... now if we could just get the Oil to move to say Hamilton????

Urban had no problem running to the media to whine. If this was even remotely true, we would have heard about it.

[Lick My Cleats]

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Urban had no problem running to the media to whine. If this was even remotely true, we would have heard about it.

Has been reported by the media ... see Gerry Moddejonge Edmonton Sun and Greggor of TSN 1260

"The league is aware of interest by the Edmonton Oilers to purchase the Rush. In fact, numerous attempts have been made at different times in the past to do just that, with offers said to range anywhere from $2 million down to just one dollar."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/05/2...l-commissioner

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Comments from some of the Sun readers ....


Rick Fleury • 18 days ago

I applaud Urban for his efforts developing this team and bring this great sport of professional Lacrosse to Edmonton. I think the "real story" here is the Oilers Entertainment group wants to own the Edmonton Rush but don't want to pay Urban anything for it. It doesn't surprise me that the arogance of the Oilers group would stoop to Blackmail to negotiate this deal. Just goes to show you how much stroke this group has when even the city and our LAME MAYOR won't do anything about it. As much as it pains me to say, I think Urban should sell the team to these bandits, cut his losses further and be proud of what he has done for Lacrosse in this city.

olegeezer62 • 18 days ago

Northlands needs to turf their pro-Katz board and respect the wishes of the majority of Edmontonians who want the Coliseum to continue to operate as an entertainment centre. The city should also consider providing the Rush with some subsidies similar to what is and continues to be provided to Edmonton's number one Corporate Welfare Bum.

KJ • 19 days ago
It's all well and good to say the best thing is to put pen to paper and have Mr. Urban to sell to the Oilers, and I agree this spat doesn't paint him in the best light, but that said, Mr. Urban has kept the team here even though he's been losing money. If he is to sell, then he should get decent value and a respectable offer, not be forced into selling for some low price because Katz holds all the cards in the new arena.

This story is not over ... the ugly truth of greed and power is going to come out and the OEG & Katz will not look good in the end. However, I agree most people will just shut-up and shovel their hard earned dough over the Katz and friends, because Connor McDavid is coming.

[Inquiring Mind]

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It's all well and good to say the best thing is to put pen to paper and have Mr. Urban to sell to the Oilers, and I agree this spat doesn't paint him in the best light, but that said, Mr. Urban has kept the team here even though he's been losing money. If he is to sell, then he should get decent value and a respectable offer, not be forced into selling for some low price because Katz holds all the cards in the new arena.

I loathe Katz, but I don't get this logic, he should get decent value because he has no leverage and a money losing business? If you're losing money, the only real value the Rush have is indirect and based on that the NLL wants 3M for an expansion franchise.

Saying you should get a premium price for a business because you've lost money on it is absurd... like when Braley wanted 20M for the Argos. The Argos were worth nothing too, the only way he got anything for them was the CFL awarded them two Grey Cups to host and effectively paid Bell/Tanenbaum to pay Braley to go away.

[eskfan152]

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Hmmm, this is interesting indeed. For me, at the end of the day, I do hope that the OEG is able to buy the Rush, and life will go on with NLL lacrosse in Edmonton.

[Section N]

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It'd be in Urbans best interest to sell to the OEG at this, a time of strength with the club. Perhaps after that if it is signed and sealed, maybe Katz does sign a non-compete with NL and have the Rush be a main tenant at Rexall in its current state. Katz may not want the team downtown, despite having the other sporting properties there already. This way the Rush could leverage the best dates possible without having to go against 2 hockey clubs, and have a facility to practice and play in consistently, instead of having to practice in Leduc and Millennium Place.

The Rush model should be built on a 10,000 seat plan, and could work very well at the old barn for years to come. And hey, they could then hang all the banners they want!

[Lick My Cleats]

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I loathe Katz, but I don't get this logic, he should get decent value because he has no leverage and a money losing business? If you're losing money, the only real value the Rush have is indirect and based on that the NLL wants 3M for an expansion franchise.

Saying you should get a premium price for a business because you've lost money on it is absurd... like when Braley wanted 20M for the Argos. The Argos were worth nothing too, the only way he got anything for them was the CFL awarded them two Grey Cups to host and effectively paid Bell/Tanenbaum to pay Braley to go away.

It is not a simple fact of did the Rush make or lose money, its about future earnings. What you are missing is the first 8 years of losses to build a brand, but the last two seasons the Rush are in the black.

Jerry Buss lost a lot of money on the Kings brand for many years after purchasing the Kings, the Lakers and the Forum from Jack Kent Cooke for 67.5 million dollars in June, 1979. The Kings were a throw in (@ $8 Million) as their average attendance was 10,453 in 1979 and prior to that bounce between 8K and 11K+. Buss was hemorrhaging money on the Kings so much he allowed Bruce McNall to buy in. A sports property now valued by Forbes at $1 billion and the Kings $215 million. It takes time to build a brand.

Future growth of the Rush brand is high and if it wasn't the OEG would not be interested at all. The OEG know that with some additional marketing behind it they can consistently have 12,000 just like the Rush have had at times and the Flames have with the Roughnecks. The Rush brand is worth $$$, but the OEG is treating the Rush brand as having no value and simply want to pay under market value for the brand.

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Hmmm, this is interesting indeed. For me, at the end of the day, I do hope that the OEG is able to buy the Rush, and life will go on with NLL lacrosse in Edmonton.

90% sure the Rush move and the OEG will get an expansion team from the NLL and we will get to watch a rebuild again.

[Section N]

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The only thing that'll get 12K in the seats consistently is a lower price point. No amount of marketing can help out if the numbers stay the same. It's just not feasible for Joe Fan to shell out $50/seat plus plus, to take his family to a 2nd/3rd tier sport in this city. The price point needs to align with junior hockey markets, even though it's a professional league.

[Inquiring Mind]

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It is not a simple fact of did the Rush make or lose money, its about future earnings. What you are missing is the first 8 years of losses to build a brand, but the last two seasons the Rush are in the black.

Jerry Buss lost a lot of money on the Kings brand for many years after purchasing the Kings, the Lakers and the Forum from Jack Kent Cooke for 67.5 million dollars in June, 1979. The Kings were a throw in (@ $8 Million) as their average attendance was 10,453 in 1979 and prior to that bounce between 8K and 11K+. Buss was hemorrhaging money on the Kings so much he allowed Bruce McNall to buy in. A sports property now valued by Forbes at $1 billion and the Kings $215 million. It takes time to build a brand.

Future growth of the Rush brand is high and if it wasn't the OEG would not be interested at all. The OEG know that with some additional marketing behind it they can consistently have 12,000 just like the Rush have had at times and the Flames have with the Roughnecks. The Rush brand is worth $$$, but the OEG is treating the Rush brand as having no value and simply want to pay under market value for the brand.

Future growth? That doesn't mean SFA when no one else wants them and Katz can just force them out of town and get an expansion team for 3M.

Major league sports ownership up until the last decade was more like art collecting than a business. It was about being part of an exclusive club and able to impress your other rich buddies. Losing money wasn't really an issue, in fact in some ways it was a modern potlatch in that it just showed how much of a big shot one was that they could blow money in a high profile manner... and if you were lucky you'd make back your operational losses with a big sale price as more and more people wanted to be part of the club... as the money got bigger and bigger this became less and less the case, and with TV contracts exploding it's almost a thing of the past now. There is still the prestige, but there is also the profitability.

None of that really extended into minor league sports however.

And if there are riches at the end of that rainbow, why didn't Urban reap them? I somehow doubt it's altruism. Valuations aren't based on vague notions of future riches, and business are only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.