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    #16
    Re: The media and their sources...

    Originally posted by Party Time View Post
    If you guys actually read the article you would see that the issue isn't credibility....
    c'mon PT... that's waaaayyyy too logical.
    Turf Toe:
    - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
    - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
    - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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      #17
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      Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
      For the sake of diplomacy I'm not going to say a thing despite my BS detectors sounding louder than an air raid siren.

      edit-- and I'm not talking about the song/lyrics/band. Only the gross misconceptions that make me shake my head.
      Do you mean like the misconception that all media are "liars" or "crooks?"

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        #18
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        Originally posted by Swivel Hips View Post
        Do you mean like the misconception that all media are "liars" or "crooks?"
        like I said I'm staying out of it. Far be it for me to put 15+ years of front line work with the media in the way of people's 'opinions' regardless of how misconceived.
        Turf Toe:
        - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
        - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
        - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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          #19
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          Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
          like I said I'm staying out of it. Far be it for me to put 15+ years of front line work with the media in the way of people's 'opinions' regardless of how misconceived.
          Why do I hear you!? It was 26+ years for me.

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            #20
            Re: The media and their sources...

            Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
            like I said I'm staying out of it. Far be it for me to put 15+ years of front line work with the media in the way of people's 'opinions' regardless of how misconceived.



            But the part you aren't getting is that it's one thing to be smug that you know the "real story" ... but if the court of public opinion is against you, then rightly or wrongly, your credibility takes a beating).


            (Not saying you are smug. Just saying that those in your industry pooh-pooh the very notion that they might have an image problem are the EXACT reason you have an image problem).



            As for the article, if the un-named source committed a crime or has information that would lead to an arrest, you are DAMN RIGHTS the reporter should be forced to turn over that information to the police! I can't believe that anyone would logically argue otherwise.

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              #21
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              Originally posted by Muley69 View Post
              As for the article, if the un-named source committed a crime or has information that would lead to an arrest, you are DAMN RIGHTS the reporter should be forced to turn over that information to the police! I can't believe that anyone would logically argue otherwise.
              As soon as the precedent gets set there will be no more "unnamed sources" and as a result there will be a plethora of crimes which might get committed and go undetected. Keep in mind, in many high profile "whistle blowing" types of cases the paper trail leads up to the top...if you don't have anyone on the "inside" i'm sure it could be covered up quite easily...(this last statement was nothing more than pure hypothesis based on what I believe the corporate ladder to be )

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                #22
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                Sorry Jack, but today one simply cannot have the same level of trust in the media as one would have 25 years ago. Today there is just as much " Create the story" as there is " Just the facts"
                I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                  #23
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                  Originally posted by Diesel View Post
                  Sorry Jack, but today one simply cannot have the same level of trust in the media as one would have 25 years ago. Today there is just as much " Create the story" as there is " Just the facts"
                  And we're supposed to have unbridled trust in non-traditional media which is un-regulated, un-audited and un-accountable? More rumours and lies are spread via the 'social media' than by the traditional media. That, my friend, is a fact I've dealt with first hand.

                  This jihad against the traditional media being 'crooked' or 'fixed' or whatever is by-and-large baseless. Sure both sports and entertainment are driven by rumours and inexperienced spokespeople saying things they shouldn't. But to paint all media with the same brush is simply wrong.
                  Turf Toe:
                  - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
                  - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
                  - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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                    #24
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                    Originally posted by Swivel Hips View Post
                    Why do I hear you!? It was 26+ years for me.
                    21 years for me. Old timer.

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                      #25
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                      Originally posted by Muley69 View Post
                      But the part you aren't getting is that it's one thing to be smug that you know the "real story" ... but if the court of public opinion is against you, then rightly or wrongly, your credibility takes a beating).


                      (Not saying you are smug. Just saying that those in your industry pooh-pooh the very notion that they might have an image problem are the EXACT reason you have an image problem).



                      As for the article, if the un-named source committed a crime or has information that would lead to an arrest, you are DAMN RIGHTS the reporter should be forced to turn over that information to the police! I can't believe that anyone would logically argue otherwise.
                      Firstly I wasn't being smug, I merely didn't want to rehash stuff that I have talked about many, many times before.

                      Secondly, "my industry" is not the media per se, but rather media relations and marketing communications. Our 'image problems' are far different than those of the media.

                      Thirdly, once upon a time "public opinion" thought the sun revolved around the Earth. Didn't mean it was right.

                      Finally, and most significantly, regarding your comment about the article... Good point! That's what makes this such a convoluted mess. Without the ability to gain disclosure of information the very reporting structure - traditional and new media - is hamstrung. The flip side of the criminal issue can't be ignored.
                      Turf Toe:
                      - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
                      - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
                      - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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                        #26
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                        Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
                        And we're supposed to have unbridled trust in non-traditional media which is un-regulated, un-audited and un-accountable? More rumours and lies are spread via the 'social media' than by the traditional media. That, my friend, is a fact I've dealt with first hand.

                        This jihad against the traditional media being 'crooked' or 'fixed' or whatever is by-and-large baseless. Sure both sports and entertainment are driven by rumours and inexperienced spokespeople saying things they shouldn't. But to paint all media with the same brush is simply wrong.

                        I wouldn't call them that, but they sure like to lead with their agenda and fit the slant/story to fit, then push it. All the big name media groups are guilty of this becuase they are in the ratings business now....
                        I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                          #27
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                          Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
                          And we're supposed to have unbridled trust in non-traditional media which is un-regulated, un-audited and un-accountable? More rumours and lies are spread via the 'social media' than by the traditional media. That, my friend, is a fact I've dealt with first hand.
                          wait! you mean Doug Flutie isn't coming out of retirement to play for the esks??!?!?

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                            #28
                            Re: The media and their sources...

                            Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
                            And we're supposed to have unbridled trust in non-traditional media which is un-regulated, un-audited and un-accountable? More rumours and lies are spread via the 'social media' than by the traditional media. That, my friend, is a fact I've dealt with first hand.

                            This jihad against the traditional media being 'crooked' or 'fixed' or whatever is by-and-large baseless. Sure both sports and entertainment are driven by rumours and inexperienced spokespeople saying things they shouldn't. But to paint all media with the same brush is simply wrong.
                            Unfortunately my friend so is the truth.

                            I don't think we've come too far from the Pravda days of disinformation and propoganda, they just have different names and spread slanted takes for different folks (Al Jazeera, Fox News, etc ). Not to mention some outlets who's agendas are bought and paid for by global corporations.

                            Sometimes one bystander with a camera phone is all it takes to expose a truth that certain media outlets would just as soon buried, and you'd never heard of......
                            Before you insult a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you'll be a mile away, and have his shoes.

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                              #29
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                              Society craves the shocking, sickening type stories.. Media just provides what Society wants be it by putting a deep spin on a story or what not..

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                                #30
                                Re: The media and their sources...

                                Originally posted by Diesel View Post
                                I wouldn't call them that, but they sure like to lead with their agenda and fit the slant/story to fit, then push it. All the big name media groups are guilty of this becuase they are in the ratings business now....
                                Of course!!! but there's nothing new to that. The agenda is set primarily by what the readers/viewers/listeners want. That combined with the information they get. The media rarely have the time and/or ability to go out and find the stories - newsrooms have been steadily shrinking for the last 8 years. Therefore if they want to report on something they need to get info from other sources. And in those cases it comes down to which company/organization/individual has the best capacity to influence the media.

                                But remember... not all influence is bad!! When I talk to the media to convince them to write a story about the Hanen Centre - which provides tools for parents who have pre-school kids with literacy and/or language delays the agenda on the part of the media is to get relevant information out to the public. The slant is pro-education and awareness.

                                When we got the media to attend a press conference about how a lack of funding to in-home support staff was woefully lacking and how the costs of keeping people in hospitals instead of getting them home meant a loss of many, many millions of dollars, the agenda was to drive change. The media was the vehicle for the story. The slant was that things could be done better and should be done better. The premise was to make the gov't accountable. Soon after the story hit the press the provincial gov't kicked in a significant amount of funding for in home care.

                                So when I hear people say that the media is 'skewed because of a personal/business/corporate agenda' I know that that is simply not true. And when I hear people say that journalists have no ethics, I know that they are likely more ethical than many others. That I know to be true as well. Are there some bad apples? sure. Show me a profession without any.

                                Originally posted by Opus View Post
                                Unfortunately my friend so is the truth.

                                I don't think we've come too far from the Pravda days of disinformation and propoganda, they just have different names and spread slanted takes for different folks (Al Jazeera, Fox News, etc ). Not to mention some outlets who's agendas are bought and paid for by global corporations.

                                Sometimes one bystander with a camera phone is all it takes to expose a truth that certain media outlets would just as soon buried, and you'd never heard of......
                                Trying to compare Al Jazeera to let's say the Globe and Mail or the BBC is a bit of a stretch you'd have to admit. Do some media fit the scenario you describe. Sure. Do those tend to be the Canadian media? No.

                                While there may be socio-political agendas (the media has always split itself along those lines, some more left, some more right) that doesn't indicate that all journalists or all journalism is also skewed. That simply is not so.

                                When I worked with a journalist to include HP in a round up of PCs years ago... where was the disinformation? The agenda of the media was to include all players and it was up to any interested party to get their info in.

                                When an article was written about two upstart young Canadians who turn a company on it's heels and were successfully making waves in the US the Agenda was to highlight Canadian innovation and creativity.

                                When a newspaper contacted me to offer advice to small businesses on what to remember with respect to crisis communications where was the propaganda?

                                And while I certainly agree with the idea of the Citizen Reporter and the well informed blogger being able to do well and to act as watchdogs, what happens when they're wrong? By the time the info is corrected, rumours have spread and corporate or personal damage has been done (remind me to tell you about the clueless podcaster who totally besmirched my name only because he didn't know what a News Release was). Is there a Press Council to adjudicate? Is there a Media Ombudsman to assess if slander occured? nope. But those things do exist and are used in the media.
                                Turf Toe:
                                - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
                                - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
                                - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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