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    Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

    Lie: The PM doesn't understand the extent of the economic decline, and therefore should lose the confidence of the House of Commons for not including an economic stimulus package in last Thursday's update.

    Truth: The fall fiscal update is not a budget. It is not meant to be a budget. It is a report on the financial position of the Government of Canada halfway through its fiscal year. Changes made to fiscal policy are meant to achieve the goals set out in the budget six months earlier. The Government of Canada has a strict budget process, including estimates, supplementary estimates and a budget.

    Truth: Canada will not wither and die if a stimulus package is not delivered right away. It would be more wise to wait for the next Federal budget so that spending can be appropriated during that fiscal year and compensated for without leading to a huge deficit.

    Truth: Canada is not in recession. That would be 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. Canada's GDP growth was still positive in the last quarter. Retail sales were up in September. The Government of Canada is on track for a small surplus in this fiscal year.


    Lie: The Prime Minister is a bully whose attempt to eliminate the taxpayer subsidy of political parties is reason enough to lose the confidence of the House of Commons.

    Truth: The Prime Minister has backed down on the taxpayer subsidy issue. His own party stood to lose 10 million dollars, the most of any party. While his party relied upon the subsidy the least, we cannot be expected to believe that the party that has ruled Canada throughout most of its history and has support in every region of Canada cannot raise funds through individual donations. If we are to believe that Canada is a left leaning country then they should be able to out-fundraise the Conservatives easily.

    Truth: The Finance Minister has caved to the opposition and moved up the date of the budget to January. The earliest planned budget in Canadian history. Again, this was done to please the opposition. The minority worked as it should.

    Lie: The Liberal/NDP/BQ coalition is what is best for the country.

    Truth: Canada elected a minority Conservative government. The Conservatives have backed off on what was unacceptable to the rest of the House of Commons. The minority system worked as it should.

    Truth: While the Bloc Quebecois are an official party and have every right to run in only one Province, they are a party committed to the destruction of Canada. For the Liberals to form a coalition with them is grossly irresponsible and unconscionable. Above all, it takes Canada for granted. The emboldened Bloc Quebecois will have renewed strength and credibility. That takes us further away from national unity and further away from the goal of defeating the sovereigntist movement. It is dangerous for the country.

    Lie: A million people voted for Elizabeth May, so she should be part of government.

    Truth: The same system that technically allows for this coalition also shut her out of Parliament. She won no seats, not even her own. She increased the Green vote share to 7%. A 2 point increase after hefty media coverage and participation in the debates with a national slate. For May to be willing to accept a cabinet post or Senate seat in exchange for support for a coalition backed by soveriegntists is nothing more than personal ambition and reckless disregard for the welfare of Canada.
    Last edited by Deathsdoorstep; 12-03-2008, 01:25 PM.

    #2
    Re: Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

    Holy Conservative!
    Quote from Inquiring Mind:

    Of course stamphater is sacred... we all worship the ground he walks on.

    #PizStrong

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      #3
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      Can't really disagree with anything DDS says there. I want to shake the hand of the man who put that together.

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        #4
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        Yeah, the Canadian press needs to publish that list on the front page of every major paper in the country.

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          I'm actually surprised about all the BQ hatred here. I mean, don't you want them to separate? You guys clearly don't like Quebec, so they'd be out of our hair. We'd probably end up saving money because we do give them a fair amount compared to how much they give back. I'm not sure of the actual +/- on that though. They're not trying to destroy Canada, they just don't want to be part of it. They can have their own country, their own economy....they'd probably trade a fair amount with us anyway. Let them separate.

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            Originally posted by Numberz View Post
            I'm actually surprised about all the BQ hatred here. I mean, don't you want them to separate? You guys clearly don't like Quebec, so they'd be out of our hair. We'd probably end up saving money because we do give them a fair amount compared to how much they give back. I'm not sure of the actual +/- on that though. They're not trying to destroy Canada, they just don't want to be part of it. They can have their own country, their own economy....they'd probably trade a fair amount with us anyway. Let them separate.
            Don't include everyone in that!

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              Re: Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

              Originally posted by Numberz View Post
              I'm actually surprised about all the BQ hatred here. I mean, don't you want them to separate? You guys clearly don't like Quebec, so they'd be out of our hair. We'd probably end up saving money because we do give them a fair amount compared to how much they give back. I'm not sure of the actual +/- on that though. They're not trying to destroy Canada, they just don't want to be part of it. They can have their own country, their own economy....they'd probably trade a fair amount with us anyway. Let them separate.

              I am probably different than a lot of you.

              I LOVE Quebec. I've gone their only a few times and had a blast each time. I am somewhat proud (to tell the truth) that we are one of the only countries in the world that (more or less) peacefully co-exists with another culture that has been granted official status in things like language laws, etc

              However,

              I do NOT love Quebec MORE THAN I love any other province.

              I have no problem giving "have not" provinces a helping hand. I fully support the notion of Federal Transfer payments. But I don't want to see MORE money go to a province that doesn't need it. Similarly, I don't want to see MORE money to any particular province to the detriment of another.

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                This coalition wants to take power and impose on Canadians a prime minister who has no mandate, a Liberal-NDP Coalition not one voter has ever endorsed and have it all backstopped by the separatist Bloc Québécois who exist to destroy this fine country. The Liberals and their partners in crime are trying to fool Canadians into thinking this has something to do with the economy. It does not.

                The Liberals don’t care about the economy. They only care about regaining power. They've learned nothing since being turfed out of office over the sponsorship scandal.

                On Oct. 14, Canadians passed judgment on the Liberals. The Liberals have no mandate to lead a government. The Liberals have no mandate to cut a deal with the NDP. And the Liberals certainly do not have a mandate to cut a deal with the separatists who want to destroy our country.

                This backroom deal is undemocratic and Canadians must have their say. This is Canada. The privilege to govern must be earned, not taken. We cannot let this happen.

                We now know we are no longer competing just with the opposition. We are competing against a coordinated campaign between Liberals, socialists and separatists to impose their agenda on Canadians.

                In the last election, Canadians stood together and spoke out loud and clear about the kind of Canada they wanted. Now we must stand together once again to ensure that the wishes of the voters are respected. What the opposition parties are planning is WRONG and would be catastrophic to the current economy!

                We Canadians need to ensure that they do not succeed!

                The question of who is better to lead -- Harper who has a masters degree in Economics and wants to reduce taxes and government spending or Stephane Dion who has a PhD in Sociology and knows nothing about economics and wants to create a new carbon tax -- has already been answered on Oct. 14.

                I’m outraged!!!

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                  Re: Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

                  Originally posted by MoneyGuy View Post
                  Can't really disagree with anything DDS says there. I want to shake the hand of the man who put that together.
                  Ditto!

                  but I'd also like to give Harper a helluva shake and say 'what in the hell were you thinking man?'

                  So let me add this.

                  Lie: The Prime Minister acted in a way that was best for Canada at this time.

                  Truth: The PM exhibited an egregious lack of vision and intellect by not including other parties into 'a discussion' of what would make a sound economic stimulus package. By not doing so he sent an invitation to the opposition parties to coalesce.
                  Turf Toe:
                  - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
                  - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
                  - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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                    Re: Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

                    Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
                    coalesce.
                    I actually looked this up to see if it was an actual word. I should have known better, especially since my job is to build coalescers. Except that the coalescers I build don't coalesce.

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                      Re: Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

                      Originally posted by Numberz View Post
                      I'm actually surprised about all the BQ hatred here. I mean, don't you want them to separate? You guys clearly don't like Quebec, so they'd be out of our hair. We'd probably end up saving money because we do give them a fair amount compared to how much they give back. I'm not sure of the actual +/- on that though. They're not trying to destroy Canada, they just don't want to be part of it. They can have their own country, their own economy....they'd probably trade a fair amount with us anyway. Let them separate.
                      I DO NOT want Quebec to separate. I want Quebec to remain in Canada. I want Quebec to be an equal Province in Canada.

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                        The Liberals don’t care about the economy. They only care about regaining power. They've learned nothing since being turfed out of office over the sponsorship scandal.

                        On Oct. 14, Canadians passed judgment on the Liberals. The Liberals have no mandate to lead a government. The Liberals have no mandate to cut a deal with the NDP. And the Liberals certainly do not have a mandate to cut a deal with the separatists who want to destroy our country.

                        This backroom deal is undemocratic and Canadians must have their say. This is Canada. The privilege to govern must be earned, not taken. We cannot let this happen.

                        Myself and all my unregistered firearms fully agree with you.
                        I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                          #13
                          Re: Allow Me To Blow Away All of the Coalition's Arguments

                          Originally posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
                          I DO NOT want Quebec to separate. I want Quebec to remain in Canada. I want Quebec to be an equal Province in Canada.
                          I think that is the key phrase that people seem to miss.

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                            #14
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                            Yeah I think quebec is the only thing that keeps us from really being compared the US...at least internationally..the first question I am asked is do you speak french whenever people find out I'm canadian. Where does a majority of the maple syrup come from?....sure that is not what Canada is, but you take that away and there isn't much that distinguishes us from the US.....at least not anything that you can explain to someone from outside Canada in the span of a day or two.

                            Ok, maybe hockey, but believe it or not most of the world does not play hockey.

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                              #15
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                              POLITICS in Quebec pisses me off, I have nothing against the people of Quebec.
                              My Dad was born and raised just outside of Montreal. He moved out west because of the politics, then some of his family followed. I still have the large majority of my family in Quebec.
                              Just because someone thinks the POLITICS of it all is unfair and harmful, that does not mean I think people in Quebec are harmful.

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