Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

[Opus]

This bit o' info was gathered up simply from comments made at another site. For far too long I have heard cracks about some teams bringing in talent to have it stolen away by the big spending teams come FA time.....so I did some digging, not knowing what I was going to find....

I find much of this very interesting and hope anyone who reads this might find something useful in it.

All info has been taken from either CFL.ca rosters or team specific home sites.

AS OF OCT.7 / 2005:

- There are currently 185 players in the CFL who are playing with a team other than the team that originally brought them into the CFL (ie: initially drafted them or signed them to a FA contract - not necissarily who they played their first game with)

Overall in the league the teams whose players are playing elsewhere currently are listed in this order (teams whose players are still playing elsewhere):

Edmonton - 34
Calgary - 29
BC - 25
Montreal - 20
Hamilton -20
Toronto - 15
Saskatchewan - 12
Ottawa - 11
Winnipeg - 10
Shreveport - 3
Sacremento - 1
Las Vegas - 1
Baltimore - 1
Birmingham - 1

The order of teams who have the least amount of players currently on their roster who have started elsewhere:

BC - 14
Saskatchewan - 16
Calgary - 18
Montreal - 20
Hamilton - 20
Edmonton - 21
Winnipeg - 22
Toronto - 24
Ottawa - 30

Now the comparrisson between players playing elsewhere to amount of players brought in from elsewhere. (team -> 'negative' number of players playing elsewhere add number of players brought in from elsewhere = + or - )

Edmonton -> -34 + 21 = -13
BC -> -25 + 14 = -11
Calgary -> -29 + 18 = -11
Montreal -> -20 + 20 = even
Hamilton -> -20 + 20 = even
Saskatchewan -> -12 + 16 = +4
Toronto -> -15 + 24 = +9
Winnipeg -> -10 + 22 = +12
Ottawa -> -11 + 30 = +19

Breakdown by number of players from each team for each team are as follows: (interesting to note who is feeding whom)

BC Lions (total of 14 players not originally signed by club)

EDM - 2
CAL - 4
SASK - 0
WIN - 1
HAM - 0
TOR - 0
OTT - 2
MON - 5

Edmonton Eskimos (total of 21 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 1
CAL - 2
SASK - 3
WIN - 1
HAM - 3
TOR - 3
OTT - 1
MON - 6
SAC - 1

Calgary Stampeders (total of 18 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 1
EDM - 7
SASK - 1
WIN - 1
HAM - 2
TOR - 1
OTT - 1
MON - 3
BAL - 1

Saskatchewan Roughriders (total of 16 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 0
EDM - 2
CAL - 3
WIN - 1
HAM - 3
TOR - 4
OTT - 0
MON - 1
SHR - 1
BIR - 1

Winnipeg Blue Bombers (total of 22 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 5
EDM - 3
CAL - 4
SASK - 4
HAM - 1
TOR - 2
OTT - 1
MON - 2

Hamilton Tiger-Cats (total of 20 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 5
EDM - 4
CAL - 2
SASK - 0
WIN - 2
TOR - 3
OTT - 2
MON - 2

Toronto Argonauts (total of 24 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 6
EDM - 6
CAL - 0
SASK - 1
WIN - 1
HAM - 6
OTT - 3
MON - 1

Ottawa Renegades (total of 30 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 6
EDM - 6
CAL - 9
SASK - 2
WIN - 2
HAM - 2
TOR - 1
MON - 1
SHR - 1

Montreal Alouettes (total of 20 players not originally signed by club)

BC - 1
EDM - 4
CAL - 5
SASK - 1
WIN - 1
HAM - 3
TOR - 2
OTT - 1
SHR - 1
LV - 1

[Sgt. Nuke]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

You have WAY too much time on your hands.

[Staze]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

Nice to see the numbers. It has always been known that nobody brings more talent into the CFL than the Eskies.

[Opus]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

You have WAY too much time on your hands.

not true......this took way longer than I would have liked, but I can get pretty damn stubborn at times.......

[Staze]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

There is always something for other teams to cry about.

-Salary Cap
-Turf at Commonwealth
-Hugh Campbell, the real commisioner

It never ends and never will, I am stubborn to but I have learned to let it go because it is a fight that you will have every day as long as there are still Rider fans.

My usual statement to a Rider fan is "fill your barn with 37,000 plus fans and you to can buy whatever you want".

[gizmo fan 2]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

Interesting stuff, Fish, thanks for bringing that up.

Interesting how we apparently buy everyone we have, yet we've lost the most people in the league and actually have the lowest ratio of people gained/people lost.

Instead of the Esks, maybe there is a case against another high-spending team, however. And a 17-player difference in ratios with Saskatchewan is very interesting.

[Opus]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

Interesting stuff, Fish, thanks for bringing that up.

Interesting how we apparently buy everyone we have, yet we've lost the most people in the league and actually have the lowest ratio of people gained/people lost.

Instead of the Esks, maybe there is a case against another high-spending team, however. And a 17-player difference in ratios with Saskatchewan is very interesting.

I knew you'd like this Matt, by all means put it into your files of knowlege

[gizmo fan 2]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

I knew you'd like this Matt, by all means put it into your files of knowlege

You bet I will.

[Nat]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

Wow! That had to be a lot of work!

The stats are interesting, but I'm not sure how meaningful they are. Napastuk "coming from" Edmonton or Paul McCallum from the Lions, for instance, were not wanted by the teams they "started" with and never established any history there. Both would, more logically, be counted as starting with the Riders.

Kelly Whiltshire, John Grace or Arland Bruce, on the other hand, were wanted by their original teams, but others outbid them because they could afford to. This is the other extreme.

Some started with one team and had some success but were let go, for whatever reason, and were picked up by another team and "rehabilitated". Marcus Crandall, twice, fits that description. So does George White.

Still others were traded, not because they were unwanted, but to fill team needs.

As I said, interesting stats, but not very meaningfull.

[tony_montana]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

It is not surprising that you guys have the most guys lost, as you are very quick to replace a guy who is underperforming. (Not a bad thing). I mean you guys got rid of Fabian Burke and the Lions picked him up, I don't think he is still there, but how weak would your secondary have to be for Burke to be a good pickup?

Without further breaking it down into guys released, vs. guys traded, vs. guys who were signed as free agents it does not really tell as much as it appears on the surface. It does say that the Esks do have very very good scouting, but we do not need research to tell us that.

[Muley69]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

Wow! That had to be a lot of work!

The stats are interesting, but I'm not sure how meaningful they are. Napastuk "coming from" Edmonton or Paul McCallum from the Lions, for instance, were not wanted by the teams they "started" with and never established any history there. Both would, more logically, be counted as starting with the Riders.

Kelly Whiltshire, John Grace or Arland Bruce, on the other hand, were wanted by their original teams, but others outbid them because they could afford to. This is the other extreme.

Some started with one team and had some success but were let go, for whatever reason, and were picked up by another team and "rehabilitated". Marcus Crandall, twice, fits that description. So does George White.

Still others were traded, not because they were unwanted, but to fill team needs.

As I said, interesting stats, but not very meaningfull.

Ya...Nat, you have a point. Certain players at the margin would be a stretch...but, certainly, Fishman's post sheds a lot of light on some of the oft-tossed around rumors around the net.


And Staze...points are well taken. But lets be fair...it's not right to single out Rider fans in those issues. Yes...some of their fans do complain about this, but so have fans from other teams. Arguments can be more effective when you address an individual poster that makes these types of ridiculous excuses rather than tar-and-feathering a whole group of people.

Not only do you come across as being less ignorant, but you're more likely to be believed by the very person you're arguing against when you avoid the broad labels.

[lloyd]

Re: Who's supplying the CFL talent pool?

There is always something for other teams to cry about.

-Salary Cap
-Turf at Commonwealth
-Hugh Campbell, the real commisioner

It never ends and never will, I am stubborn to but I have learned to let it go because it is a fight that you will have every day as long as there are still Rider fans.

My usual statement to a Rider fan is "fill your barn with 37,000 plus fans and you to can buy whatever you want".

Worked wonders in the NHL, and look at the even spread competition in the MLB

That NFL has got to be the worst league around!

I think alot of people around the league whine over different things, but silly spending by some clubs, not singling out Edmonton cause alot of teams do it, will be the bane of the league until it gets settled.