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    John Short on Esks

    It seems that John puts most of the blame on Hugh Campbell. While I like Johna lot I'm not sure I agree with this. Sure he did hire Danny but to say that most of its hughs fault? First of Paul Jones came to the esks from the Argos with the Don back in 99. The Esks of 03 and 05 was created mostly by Don and not Flanders. I can blame Hugh on Rick butthe rest of the staff pretty much falls under Danny's plate.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/Sports/Co...11580-sun.html
    A lot of people go through life doing things badly. Racing is important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting." Michael Delaney AKA- Steve McQueen
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    Re: John Short on Esks

    John Short is much like Bryan Hall. They refuse to put even an ounce of blame of people whether they are players, coaches, management while they are still involved with the team. As a matter of fact they abuse people that criticize anyone to do with the team.

    The second people leave however they are all over them and have no problem assigning blame.

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      Re: John Short on Esks

      the article says that I shouldn't blame DM because he was dealt a tough hand.....

      .....I stopped reading right there because DM was given one of the best teams in the CFL. He has systematically destroyed since he was promoted.

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        Re: John Short on Esks

        Looks like John and I agree on this point.

        http://www.esksfans.com/forum/showpo...6&postcount=41

        But we have to deal with the present, not the past. I don't see it absolving Danny at all. Make the change.

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          Re: John Short on Esks

          I agree with John.
          Hugh hired DM and DM sucks so if he was not picked then we would not be in this mess. Hugh also put in a weak, Board that does nothing and will do nothing but meet as an old boys club and stroke their egos. Many of the people in the Admin side are poor as well and if they were in a real job they would have been fired for incompetence but because they are family or friends they are safe. The Esks have stagnated, on the field and in the other activities that take place around the game. Granted they did make a few changes this year to improve, the over all entertainment value is poor. Very few new ideas are brought in and the ideas that have been are not of much value.

          We need changes but with out a real BOD to make sure RL does his job nothing will change.

          IMO anyway.

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            Re: John Short on Esks

            Originally posted by Numberz View Post
            the article says that I shouldn't blame DM because he was dealt a tough hand.....

            .....I stopped reading right there because DM was given one of the best teams in the CFL. He has systematically destroyed since he was promoted.
            Even if he was dealt a tough hand shouldn't he being doing something about it? We arent getting better! In fact we're getting worse!!! If I wanted to keep my job I'd try and make some positive adjustments and changes.
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              Re: John Short on Esks

              Originally posted by pete View Post
              Even if he was dealt a tough hand shouldn't he being doing something about it? We arent getting better! In fact we're getting worse!!! If I wanted to keep my job I'd try and make some positive adjustments and changes.
              THats what they were saying last year aswell. Well he now hasthe power and things were even worse. I'm not saying Hugh is completely innocent but Danny and Paul Jones have been more or less in full control of the football side for the last couple of years.
              A lot of people go through life doing things badly. Racing is important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting." Michael Delaney AKA- Steve McQueen

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                Re: John Short on Esks

                Short may have somewhat of a point.

                It's also pretty well known that Campbell was, well, a complete jerk (to put it mildly) so I don't think anyone in the media is going to give him the benefit of the doubt on any point.
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                  Re: John Short on Esks

                  Originally posted by MotorSportsGord View Post
                  THats what they were saying last year aswell. Well he now hasthe power and things were even worse. I'm not saying Hugh is completely innocent but Danny and Paul Jones have been more or less in full control of the football side for the last couple of years.
                  Hugh had complete control of who he hired and fired. He hired Danny and he hired, or at the very least, approved of the hiring of Jones. To be fair it's not like Jones never did anything great for the Esks but he has been little help lately.
                  When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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                    Re: John Short on Esks

                    Originally posted by quake View Post
                    Hugh had complete control of who he hired and fired. He hired Danny and he hired, or at the very least, approved of the hiring of Jones. To be fair it's not like Jones never did anything great for the Esks but he has been little help lately.

                    Fair point,but its alomost like Hugh(With the possible xception of 99) only had one bad year during all his time with the esks. Yes Paul Jones did a lot of good things for us for many years but it has become clear that he can't scout anymore. John has had a strong dislike for Hugh ever since the sale of the Trappers-which I don't blames the esks like he does-it ws the clear that they were getting forced out by the CFL. Frankly as I see it if the Media for the most part thinks Hugh is a jerk thats a good reason for me to like him.
                    A lot of people go through life doing things badly. Racing is important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting." Michael Delaney AKA- Steve McQueen

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                      Re: John Short on Esks

                      The thing about Hugh Campbell is he made mistakes in his tenure as the man in charge of that there is no doubt. However he also quickly made changes, even ones that were not super popular when he thought things were going off the rails.

                      Kay Stephenson was his hand picked guy but he canned him after one year.

                      Don Mathews was his hand picked guy but he essentially canned him as well.

                      The sin is not in making mistakes, anyone in charge long enough will make them. The sin is not correcting the mistakes or problems. We will see if the new boss moves to correct mistakes or hopes the mistakes will just go away.

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                        Re: John Short on Esks

                        Originally posted by MotorSportsGord View Post
                        Fair point,but its alomost like Hugh(With the possible xception of 99) only had one bad year during all his time with the esks. Yes Paul Jones did a lot of good things for us for many years but it has become clear that he can't scout anymore. John has had a strong dislike for Hugh ever since the sale of the Trappers-which I don't blames the esks like he does-it ws the clear that they were getting forced out by the CFL. Frankly as I see it if the Media for the most part thinks Hugh is a jerk thats a good reason for me to like him.
                        The story of the demise of the Trappers was a ongoing thing for almost the 20 years that they were in Edmonton. The Esks had a op to sell them at a huge profit and they took it. So they go from one year where they say that because they bought the Trap, they are going to be in Edmonton for a long time to come, to the next year when oops, they're off to Texas. Come on MSG. Most sales of teams have to be approved by the league commish. Do you not think for one second that the long term viability of the Trappers in Edmonton were not discussed before the Esks bought the Trap. Becasuse it was always a hot button item about them before the sale Either way, the Esks lied to us about the sale. If there was a issue then why did Hughie say that the Trap were going to be in Edmonton for many years to come. If it wasn't a issue why are we watching the Whatever Cats.
                        When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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                          Hugh Campbell was IMO one of the best GMs in CFL history. Maybe even pro football history....he knew football, he knew people. He knew how to plan for the future while still having a great team at the present. Things just ran smoothly with Hugh in charge, and losing him IMO is what has put us in the bottom. He did hire DM, but I think in his last few years that he wasn't as involved as he always was. He was slowly handing power over to LeLacheur and I'm sure that since Rick is the man and still hasn;t gotten rid of DM, then it was Rick who had a hand in making DM coach.

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                            Originally posted by Numberz View Post
                            Hugh Campbell was IMO one of the best GMs in CFL history. Maybe even pro football history....he knew football, he knew people. He knew how to plan for the future while still having a great team at the present. Things just ran smoothly with Hugh in charge, and losing him IMO is what has put us in the bottom. He did hire DM, but I think in his last few years that he wasn't as involved as he always was. He was slowly handing power over to LeLacheur and I'm sure that since Rick is the man and still hasn;t gotten rid of DM, then it was Rick who had a hand in making DM coach.
                            DM was coach before RL came along.
                            When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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                              Originally posted by Numberz View Post
                              He was slowly handing power over to LeLacheur and I'm sure that since Rick is the man and still hasn;t gotten rid of DM, then it was Rick who had a hand in making DM coach.
                              A non-football guy in that position wouldn't be making any moves without someone's help. I'm willing to bet he's following the recommendations of consultant Hugh Campbell.

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