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    How much better could Ray be?

    Right off the bat, I'll say RR is the only QB that I would have here over any other QB in the league right now. So the following is not an anti-RR post but a subject that I think is worthy of some discussion.

    RR's rise to prominence has certainly been meteoric ever since he dropped off his last box of potato chips. GC rings, GC appearances, MOP's, records, and an NFL stint, numerous POW awards, all there for display.


    My question has been quietly over the past two seasons is: Is he doing what it takes to get better or is he comfortable at the level he is at?

    All QB's over time learn with experience to read defences better etc, and with Ray I'm sure that's no exception. My question stems from a series of comments from a former Eskimo ( who never played with Ray) who when commenting about his arm strength and power, brought up some very good points.

    His comment was pretty blunt: " He needs to look after his ****"

    To which the overal reaction was one of surprise. Now this former Esk knows a thing or two about what he speaks as his career now is as a physical trainer of atheletes from weekend warriors to high end long distance runners.

    The comment was expanded on: " His velocity is not where it needs to be, but you can fix that. How much work does he put into strengtheneing his back, his lats, his delts. I can tell by looking at his arm that he could be stronger than he is..."

    So that led to another discussion amongst a bunch of us as to how much drive or how hard is RR being pushed externally or internally to get better? I think it was a valid question and with certain things we see in his game, I think there can be room for improvement.

    With me, I think RR's comfort level with certain sets of plays adds to the level of predictability that exists in stretches of games. The wide side of the field has been an area under-utilized ever since Swerve's last two seasons and continues to be now. Is RR's lack of confidence in his pass strength preventing him from attacking that area of the field?

    Now I'm not saying that by utilizing better training or improving his mechanics that RR should be expected to hit Maas type velocity, as we see with all atheletes, some just have different body makeups that give them advantages. But the point brought up by a former player is valid when one sees the body makeup of RR. He's in good physical condition, but can he be better, training wise, mechanics wise to close the velocity gap to make him an even more lethal QB?

    As he ages into his late 20's and early 30's I would see this as an area that should become a priority.
    I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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    Good points to ponder
    There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

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      #3
      Re: How much better could Ray be?

      Interesting topic...
      While I don't question that this former Eskimo must know something if he is working with a trainer, so is RR. During TC it was highlighted through the media that RR had been doing a very intense off season training to strengthen his arm and shoulder post-surgery. In addition to this he is working with Jeff Krushell every week.
      I do agree that there appear to be areas of RR's game where he is a bit complacent. That being said, this is the first time in a few years that RR has attacked a defense and taken chances going downfield at the expense of his completion percentage. While this is traceable to the offensive play calling it also must be linked to the QB's comfort level with his on-field opportunities. I have personally felt that even at times during the 2005 season, and for sure in '06 and '07 that RR felt a double whammy of being continually under pressure to get rid of the ball quickly, and fell into the interception nightmare.
      This year, his footwork has continued to improve and his long distance balls have been reminiscent of 2003. I also think that having Jason Maas back here will keep that competitive and training fire burning, and prevent any possible training complacency.
      From a more personal note, when I saw him in only underarmour on the sidelines in the preseason, I was amazed at how muscular his back was compared to years previous.
      All good points Diesel, I'm curious to see what others think too.
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        #4
        Re: How much better could Ray be?

        Supposedly, the knock on him when he went to the NFL was that his mechanics are terrible. So, maybe there is room for improvement. I don't know what he's doing for a workout regime, so I can't comment any more than that.

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          #5
          Re: How much better could Ray be?

          Hope the Esks read this... I agree that, as scary as it sounds, Ray could get better.

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            Re: How much better could Ray be?

            Let's compare Ricky Ray to a random test subject...say....DDS.

            Ray: Comfy in his position as a starting QB.
            DDS: Comfy in his position as that overweight guy who married the hot chick.

            Ray: Has no real threat to his position.
            DDS: Has no real threat to his position.

            Ray: Is getting older and will need to improve his body to keep his position.
            DDS: Is getting older and will need to improve his body to keep his position.


            It's like we're the same person!!!!!

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              #7
              Re: How much better could Ray be?

              As much as I hate to admit it...the little bit extra that Burris did has helped him escape tackles that would have brought him down last year...maybe Ray needs more Flinstone vitamins too?
              Once an Eskimo, ALWAYS an Eskimo.

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                Re: How much better could Ray be?

                Originally posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
                Let's compare Ricky Ray to a random test subject...say....DDS.

                Ray: Comfy in his position as a starting QB.
                DDS: Comfy in his position as that overweight guy who married the hot chick.

                Ray: Has no real threat to his position.
                DDS: Has no real threat to his position.

                Ray: Is getting older and will need to improve his body to keep his position.
                DDS: Is getting older and will need to improve his body to keep his position.


                It's like we're the same person!!!!!
                Okay, Ricky.

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                  #9
                  Re: How much better could Ray be?

                  The most important aspect of a QB is "smarts".

                  In other words, its one thing to huck a ball 50 yards downfield. Its another thing to realize you don't have to if you can spot a receiver who is wide open on the weak side of the field, and get equivalent distance on YAC yards.

                  While QB's won't be able to see everything all the time, I think a fair comment would be that all QB's could improve their coverage reads and spot their third and fourth option receivers.

                  Of course...THAT requires a solid O-line.

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                    #10
                    Re: How much better could Ray be?

                    Yeah lets send him to Chad Moreau so he can get injured after one practice.

                    I have no problem with Ricky Ray as he is. In my opinion you either have a strong arm or you don't, you can build up other areas of the body but you can't turn a Chad Pennington arm into a Brett Favre arm.

                    Ricky Rays game goes as the o-line goes, this year the o-line has given him time to go deep and the offensive coordinator has been committed to going deeper, thus we have had success and that part of the game has opened up.

                    Ray throws a good enough deep ball for my taste, he runs well enough for my taste, he QB sneaks well enough for my taste.

                    In years past we went dink and dunk too often for two reasons, the offensive philopshy of taking what others give us and a poor o-line.

                    RR is the best QB in the league and I wouldn't change a thing about him.
                    Last edited by Beerfish; 08-07-2008, 01:12 PM.

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                      #11
                      Re: How much better could Ray be?

                      Good read, but another point to ponder is the fact that maybe the play calling is limiting his ability to be better.

                      You never really know, but he is better than a lot of other QB's in this league.
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                        #12
                        Re: How much better could Ray be?

                        Could Ray be better if his mechanics were more perfect, and he had a stronger are? Who wouldn't.

                        His arm is not particularly strong, and if possible, he should do what he can to improve it.

                        I'll ask this though, if adding throwing velocity was as simple as a workout program, why would there be "Crafty Lefties" in baseball. They would just do the program, add 10mph and be Randy Johnson.

                        Velocity on a throw in 80% technique and timing, and 20%(at most) strength.

                        who do you think can pull more weight in a biceps curl, Ray or Comisey?

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                          #13
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                          Ray could be better if he was allowed to play his own game. DM needs to give him the ability to call his own plays.

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                            #14
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                            I've been as harsh a critic of Ricky as anyone, and I fully admit I like to tease Frito's Fan about his arm strength. But I think seriously picking on his arm strength is going a little too far. If he was throwing too many interceptions because he's underthrowing his receivers, then I'd be worried. That's not even close to a problem this year though...

                            Have you guys watched much of Joseph and Printers this year? They throw the ball way too hard. They don't give their receivers a chance to make a play. You see the TiCat receivers dropping every second pass...and it's not just their fault. I don't think I could catch a Printers pass to save my life.

                            The Esks have a great receiving corps, but I think one of the reasons we see so few drops from them is because usually Ray puts it right WHERE it needs to be right WHEN it needs to be.

                            I agree with beerfish. I wouldn't change a thing about him right now.
                            "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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                              #15
                              Re: How much better could Ray be?

                              Ray may not be cut like granite, but he's still a step above Danny McManus.

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