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    Aug. 8 Game Notes

    -The offense was great in the first half, Ray was unstoppable. We were changing it up and the Lions D was getting tired. We needed to run the ball, but didn't.....BC d-line instead wore down our o-line and we only got 7 pts. on the second half. Once again, half time adjustments (or lack thereof) kill us.

    -6 turnovers. You can't win with that many turnovers, and a lot of them deep in our zone. I'm not discouraged about our team, we gave up that many turnovers, a big kick return, and were still in to the end.

    -The secondary is getting better. Robinson has shown himself to be quite capable of being a starter in this league. People give Buhl a hard time, but he makes plays, has good coverage, and hustles everywhere to make plays. He never gives up and I love that.

    -The d-line was in the back field a lot. The defense played really well I thought. 40 pts. looks bad, but they were put in terrible positions alot. Murphy is consistently in the backfield. Romero really blew it though, if he doesn't take that 40 yards worth of penalties in that drive, we could be looking at a different outcome.

    -I think they should send that game clock to the Olympics. Boy was it cooking. 3rd down, incomplete pass, turnover on downs, it wasn't stopping for anything. 6 minutes came off the clock in the blink of an eye.

    -It was nice to see Ralph have a decent game, but there were still 2 INTs thrown because he didn't go after the ball. I like that he's getting into contact and making plays, but you can't let those passes go right to the defender. The first one wasn't an overthrow, Ralph pulled up and did not extend his arms.

    -I don't think the Peterson TD was a catch. However, they've called it like that 2-3 times this season (particularly on a certain Wes Cates play)...and if other teams benefit from it, then we better too.

    -Run the ball. That's the be all and end all of this. The turnovers are one thing, but we were still in that game, and our lack of a running game absolutely killed us. Their d-line had our guys on roller skates by the end of the game, and that never should have happened considering how much they were on the field in the first half.

    -Ray. He's the master. Probably has areas he can improve, but I really can't logically ask for much than what he's doing for us right now.

    -Harris was playing well but never touched the ball enough.

    -Where's McCarty? If we're going to throw that much, put our better blocking RB in there more often.

    -Tristan: not looking too good as of late. Granted, BC is a tough special teams unit....but someone needs to tell him that he is not the be all and end all of this team. Teams kick away from him and I'm sure he's eager to do something, but first and foremost he needs to do the smart thing. Two plays from him today that really cost us.



    In the end, this is a good team. We need to clear some things up, but even with all the turnovers, and no run game.....we had a chance at this one...and it could have very easily been a blow out....for either team mind you. However, we just need to screw our heads on straight and go back out and win some games. This team has some fight in it.

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    I may be the only one, but I'm actually encouraged with what I saw tonight. We didn't lose this game because of talent. We didn't lose this game because of coaching. We lost this game because of stupid mental errors. And those can be fixed.

    Bottom line is that we're still one game above .500 and with how crappy the East is looking, we should have no problems making the playoffs. I'm really starting to like this team.
    "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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      #3
      Re: Aug. 8 Game Notes

      probably better odds of making a cup run in the east...

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        #4
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        As far as I'm concerned, this game was not at all encouraging. In fact, it was shades of 2006 and 2007. Penalties. Turnovers. Stupid mental errors. If BC had simply outmatched us in every facet of the game, then I wouldn't be nearly as frustrated. When we shoot ourselves in the foot time and time and time again, that is the worst feeling. I was beginning to be encouraged about this year's team, but after tonight, I'm not completely sold on us eliminating our old ways. On another note, this game was very reminiscent of the 2002 game in BC when we turned the ball over 6 times despite an otherwise strong performance.

        On an individual level. Special teams: just brutal. No other word is needed. Offence was inconsistent. Ray put up big numbers, but 3 picks and 2 fumbles are unacceptable in my books. And the D, Buhl in particular, had some trouble with a fundamental skill of football: tackling. Overall, they weren't bad, but they did give up some big plays at bad times, especially in the latter stages of the game.
        "The longer that I'm married, the more I realize that the wife is right" - Angelus, July 24, 2010

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          #5
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          Originally posted by Frito's Fan View Post
          As far as I'm concerned, this game was not at all encouraging. In fact, it was shades of 2006 and 2007. Penalties. Turnovers. Stupid mental errors. If BC had simply outmatched us in every facet of the game, then I wouldn't be nearly as frustrated. When we shoot ourselves in the foot time and time and time again, that is the worst feeling. I was beginning to be encouraged about this year's team, but after tonight, I'm not completely sold on us eliminating our old ways.
          So you'd rather have a talentless club get blown out by a superior team than lose a close game outside of Commonwealth because of mental errors???

          That makes no sense.
          "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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            #6
            Re: Aug. 8 Game Notes

            Originally posted by Angelus View Post
            So you'd rather have a talentless club get blown out by a superior team than lose a close game outside of Commonwealth because of mental errors???

            That makes no sense.
            I didn't say that I'd RATHER lose as a result of a talentless club. I just said that losing by idiotic mistakes is much much more frustrating to watch.
            "The longer that I'm married, the more I realize that the wife is right" - Angelus, July 24, 2010

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              #7
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              Originally posted by Frito's Fan View Post
              I didn't say that I'd RATHER lose as a result of a talentless club. I just said that losing by idiotic mistakes is much much more frustrating to watch.
              Yeah, but you also said you weren't encouraged at all.
              "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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                #8
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                Originally posted by Angelus View Post
                Yeah, but you also said you weren't encouraged at all.

                Mainly because this team showed signs of reverting to the same errors that caused it to miss the playoffs in the previous two seasons.
                "The longer that I'm married, the more I realize that the wife is right" - Angelus, July 24, 2010

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                  #9
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                  I was not surprised they lost this game. It is very tough to sweep against a good club. Many errors and undisciplined plays did them in, but they were due for things like that after playing quite well in the last stretch.

                  I hope they really rally, cut down of mistakes and mental errors and beat the Wheaties, else it is a tougher struggle to make the playoffs.

                  This is not a 1st place team but a legit contender so that at least shows vast improvement.
                  If we were put on this earth to help others, what were the others put on earth for?

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                    #10
                    Re: Aug. 8 Game Notes

                    Originally posted by Numberz View Post
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                    -6 turnovers. You can't win with that many turnovers, and a lot of them deep in our zone. I'm not discouraged about our team, we gave up that many turnovers, a big kick return, and were still in to the end. . . .

                    -Run the ball. That's the be all and end all of this. The turnovers are one thing, but we were still in that game, and our lack of a running game absolutely killed us. Their d-line had our guys on roller skates by the end of the game, and that never should have happened considering how much they were on the field in the first half.

                    -Ray. He's the master. Probably has areas he can improve, but I really can't logically ask for much than what he's doing for us right now.

                    -Harris was playing well but never touched the ball enough. . . .

                    -Tristan: not looking too good as of late. Granted, BC is a tough special teams unit....but someone needs to tell him that he is not the be all and end all of this team. Teams kick away from him and I'm sure he's eager to do something, but first and foremost he needs to do the smart thing. Two plays from him today that really cost us.



                    In the end, this is a good team. We need to clear some things up, but even with all the turnovers, and no run game.....we had a chance at this one...and it could have very easily been a blow out....for either team mind you. However, we just need to screw our heads on straight and go back out and win some games. This team has some fight in it.

                    All good points. I was shocked by how close the Eskies were given how they continued to hand the game to the Lions. Which really begs the question: where was the run? If you're down by no more than 12 points the entire game, you're still in it. If you're still in it, you'd better damned-well run the ball to create a more balanced attack. It seems as though Maciocia's newfound commitment to rushing was just to get through an Argonaut squad that was struggling to stop it.

                    Tristan Jackson is no doubt a very talented player, both on special teams and on defense. The boy can run. But his confidence is sliding over on the scale more towards cockiness, perhaps as a result of some frustration over the past few weeks. Sure, teams are kicking away from him, but that's no reason to let it bother him.

                    The two plays that stuck out the most in my mind were the obvious run out of the endzone where he coughed up the ball on the 5 and a first-quarter kickoff when he ran in front of Stamps. That's not the first time he's tried to take it away from Stamps, either. C'mon, 38 Special, be a team player.

                    As for Ray, he had a good night out. This team could do some damage in the postseason, and I'm convinced now after such an undisciplined and sloppy performance (where they were never really out of it) that they are a playoff team. The real season starts at Labour Day, and I have confidence they'll figure out their flaws in time to make a run in November.
                    Get well soon, JT.

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                      #11
                      Re: Aug. 8 Game Notes

                      there were alot of positives to be taken, there haven`t been many games that i remember were we have turned the ball over 6 times and still had a shot at winning the thing, i personally think we should have gone for it on 3rd and 14 with 2.15 left, but that is just my opinion..

                      the loss has to fall squarely on the STs for me, i`m sure i read in an article in the sun or journal where dm said his special teams unit was his strongest of the 3 facets so far.. well they laid a huge one today..

                      for all the good play & press t-jaz got against tor he has to take alot, ALOT of flak today...

                      stamps was alot better returning kicks, i honestly still think t-jax is better when he is just a returned, benching williams was a big mistake for me..

                      that aside, the offence looked very good, still no running game! but ray looked good on the whole, 2 of those 3 picks i totally lay the blame on ralph as good as he was stat wise, he gave up on both those routes... dunno who came up with the flipper nickname but they should copyright that!

                      plus it is tough to win back to back in the home and home series.. not to worried by the loss, am not made like i have been in the past our o looked good our d was good, 2 stops in the endzone..

                      the ST unit should be made to walk back to edmonton....
                      Last edited by cmbuk; 08-09-2008, 02:39 AM.

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                        #12
                        Re: Aug. 8 Game Notes

                        Originally posted by Angelus View Post
                        I may be the only one, but I'm actually encouraged with what I saw tonight. We didn't lose this game because of talent. We didn't lose this game because of coaching. We lost this game because of stupid mental errors. And those can be fixed.

                        Bottom line is that we're still one game above .500 and with how crappy the East is looking, we should have no problems making the playoffs. I'm really starting to like this team.
                        I agree 100 per cent, Ang.

                        I called B.C. by five last night, although I would have dearly loved to have been wrong in the pool. It's very difficult to sweep any team back-to-back, especially when the second game is in their barn. That's one reason I hate the five or six back-to-back series we have this year (six, if you count pre-season).

                        Anyway, you're right. The main reason we lost the game last night was too many "brain farts." I like the talent on this team. For the most part, I like the game planning. They are a "run and gun bunch" and are very entertaining. They have loads of talent, the coaching is good - the assistant coaches are a tremendous upgrade over last year - so all Danny has to do is leave them alone and let them do their jobs, which they and he are doing so far.

                        I, too, am really starting to like this team and their potential. The future for Eskimo football here in Edmonton is, once again, bright.

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                          #13
                          Re: Aug. 8 Game Notes

                          Originally posted by Angelus View Post
                          I may be the only one, but I'm actually encouraged with what I saw tonight. We didn't lose this game because of talent. We didn't lose this game because of coaching. We lost this game because of stupid mental errors. And those can be fixed.

                          Bottom line is that we're still one game above .500 and with how crappy the East is looking, we should have no problems making the playoffs. I'm really starting to like this team.
                          I agree with you... Mental errors cost us the game.....even with the abundance of mental errors we still only lost by 6pts. I'll admit i was a bit pissed off at the end of the game.. not because we lost, because BC had no business being in that game... take away those mental errors and its a blow out.

                          Also seemed once one mistake was made it just snowballed. Any player any time was going to make a mistake... Ray - Ints. 38 Special 2 metal lapses, the list goes on and on...


                          They now have a bye week to stew about this loss ( in which they should have never lost) and be po'd to whip the crap outta Sask on Aug 21.



                          Other thoughts:

                          IMO We have problems corraling speedy players who can get to the perimeter quick.... Ian Smart, and Logan.

                          Was not too happy with the D... there wasn't alot of constant pressure from the Line, and I was not happy with the secondary at all.. I'm guessing sitting Keith Williams (if not injured) wasn't the best idea...

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                            #14
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                            I agree with Ang as well. Sure I was pissed at the loss but I wasn't too pissed at the team performance overall. Secondary let up some lousy plays and we of course DID NOT RUN AGAIN. But hey, that's ok for some of you on this board. Having Ray throw 50 passes a game is perfectly fine...

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                              #15
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                              I was encouraged by two things last night:

                              Shabazz making a nice read in coverage to intercept the ball in the end zone and bail out T.Jackson.

                              and

                              Robinson making an incredible play on the ball to bail out Romero.

                              That tells me these guys are playing as a unit and that's the most important thing. The mental mistakes can be fixed. Overall, a pretty decent game by a pretty injury depleted squad.

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