Terry Jones comments

[Beerfish]

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One of the reasons the media have to be careful about saying things about GMs, team presidents, etc, is that they still need to be able to access those people for info.

It does a reporter no good to spout off on a GM and then not have the GM return a call until after the article has been put to press. Un-substantiated and/or un-corroborated information that is incorrect and that runs can lead to libel suits (and yes, it does happen!).

That's why it never surprises me when 'the truth finally comes out' after someone is dismissed. In fact, it's perfectly logical.

At least for beat reporters and guys that follow the team. However it destroys their cred 100%. It is one thing to not come right out and bash, it is another thing to appear to be massive brownnosers who BLAST anyone who dares to say a bad word about the team. For example, the beat guy for the Sun Moddejonge (or however you spells his name) and Huntington before him. They reported on the Esks, they didn't fly off the handle like us fans but at least they did not downright act like idiots and blast anyone that makes a bad comment. Unlike Dave Campbell and MacKinnon from the Journal who look like asses, not just because of illogical defense of problems as plain as the nose on your face, but the manner of how they constantly degrade anyone with an opposing view point.

[Diesel]

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At least for beat reporters and guys that follow the team. However it destroys their cred 100%. It is one thing to not come right out and bash, it is another thing to appear to be massive brownnosers who BLAST anyone who dares to say a bad word about the team. For example, the beat guy for the Sun Moddejonge (or however you spells his name) and Huntington before him. They reported on the Esks, they didn't fly off the handle like us fans but at least they did not downright act like idiots and blast anyone that makes a bad comment. Unlike Dave Campbell and MacKinnon from the Journal who look like asses, not just because of illogical defense of problems as plain as the nose on your face, but the manner of how they constantly degrade anyone with an opposing view point.

What he said...

[budha]

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Somethings that have come to mind about this thread.

1. I was in support of bringing in Hall for HC. What he did with the Rider defenses in the past was great. HE had hit the glass ceiling in Regina and really was not going any where with that team (Picking him over Austin would have resulted in riots in Regina, or at least a lot of manure flying. And Miller was good choice for continuity) The fact that Hall did not have any choice in his coordinators hurt him as he could not build coaching staff that was of the same philosphy as him. Is he a good head coach, the record says no, but was he given a real chance? Not really.

2. The beat reporters for team have a tough time speaking out against that team in a meaningful way. THey have to be around these players a lot during the season, and they need to be able to interview players and management. I do not know about you, but if someone blasts me the last thing I want to do is talk to them. I doubt that TJ will get ever get much of an interview with Mo Lloyd now.

3. I think that TJ did hit the problems on the head when he talked about what DM did to the team. This is why fans wanted him fired and not for any other reason.

[Diesel]

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The problems obviously went higher than Hall, however he will wind up taking a bullet along with DM for the mess created

[cmbuk]

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Hall deserves his bullet IMHO

[wildthing]

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Hall deserves his bullet IMHO

Does he? He has been DM free for 2 weeks. The locker was DMs until the day he was fired, so now Hall is only getting a chance to really get the locker as his own. He deserves till end of season to build the team under his vision, something it seems for a year and 5 games he wasn't allowed to do.

[wildthing]

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found the Mo comment interesting as he seems to be the only guy talking the talk in the papers, his walk hasn't been great but he is one of the few showing any intensity on the field. Even I would suspect this was reporter spectulation more than anything.

[Uncle Bobby]

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his walk hasn't been great but he is one of the few showing any intensity on the field.

If Mo is intense but it isn't helping his play, that doesn't say much for Mo's ability.

The sad part is I think most of the Esks are trying their best. They are just getting smack down beat man for man.

[nafnikufesin]

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As true as this might be, I find it rather disturbing. It suggests that reporters don't have the freedom to report what they see in front of them. It undermines what the press, and journalism, are supposed to be about.

Sadly, that extends beyond sports and into provincial politics, as well, since Ralph's days as Premier.

[GREYx14]

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Incredibly Bryan Hall of all people makes a ton of sense in this chat with CTV's Dave Mitchell:

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/
Click on 'Hallsy holds nothing back on the Eskimos'.

[Opus]

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I'm curious as to how Jones comes by his assertion that Lloyd is a cancer.

While I have at times criticized parts of his game this year and last for a few misplays, it is hardly indicative of his whole body of work. Look at who is leading this defense in sacks and tackles.

Personally, I have never thought of Lloyd as a premier run stopping MAC backer anyway. Even in his time in Saskatchewan, I always thought that you could have success running at him. He's not the kind of MLB IMO whose strength is in gap filling. His strength IMO has always been that he is a read and react guy who will flow to the ball wherever it is on the field. He is also adept at finding the QB behind the LOS when the play allows him to apply pressure. IMO, he is doing what he has always had success with....and been fine in that capacity.

He's not Willie Pless, but if he's supposedly the cancer....WTF else are the rest of these guys coasting along in the front 7? Sure, we lost Peach early, but where has Ellis been? Romes is not having a great season, and man for man no one seems to be stepping up anywhere along the line in that group of linemen and backers.

At what point do these guys try and take some pride in themselves if nothing else and put a little more out there on the field? With a team with so many glaring deficiencies from areas where there was not supposed to really be any, how on earth does one guy get called out like this, especially when he seems to be the only one leading the charge statistically?

[Beerfish]

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LOL, Bryan leads the pack in hypocritical people. If he thought what he is saying for years then he was lying for years because he was just another one of the media types that refused to speak a word for YEARS and suddenly talks as if he had this pegged all along. What bull. Everything he says is 100% correct but it annoys me that these guys only starting taking them to task now after DM is gone and after people have been talking about these issues for YEARS.

[Beerfish]

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I'm curious as to how Jones comes by his assertion that Lloyd is a cancer.

While I have at times criticized parts of his game this year and last for a few misplays, it is hardly indicative of his whole body of work. Look at who is leading this defense in sacks and tackles.

Personally, I have never thought of Lloyd as a premier run stopping MAC backer anyway. Even in his time in Saskatchewan, I always thought that you could have success running at him. He's not the kind of MLB IMO whose strength is in gap filling. His strength IMO has always been that he is a read and react guy who will flow to the ball wherever it is on the field. He is also adept at finding the QB behind the LOS when the play allows him to apply pressure. IMO, he is doing what he has always had success with....and been fine in that capacity.

He's not Willie Pless, but if he's supposedly the cancer....WTF else are the rest of these guys coasting along in the front 7? Sure, we lost Peach early, but where has Ellis been? Romes is not having a great season, and man for man no one seems to be stepping up anywhere along the line in that group of linemen and backers.

At what point do these guys try and take some pride in themselves if nothing else and put a little more out there on the field? With a team with so many glaring deficiencies from areas where there was not supposed to really be any, how on earth does one guy get called out like this, especially when he seems to be the only one leading the charge statistically?

I agree about Lloyd. I haven't seen anything to suggest he is a big problem in the locker room. His on field performance is another matter as it is very spotty. Quite good at times and really poor at other times. Salary always comes into play as well at times like this because the best paid players have to be playing good all the time.

[GREYx14]

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LOL, Bryan leads the pack in hypocritical people. If he thought what he is saying for years then he was lying for years because he was just another one of the media types that refused to speak a word for YEARS and suddenly talks as if he had this pegged all along. What bull. Everything he says is 100% correct but it annoys me that these guys only starting taking them to task now after DM is gone and after people have been talking about these issues for YEARS.

I can't believe I'm defending Bryan Hall but he was calling the Esks' games on CHED (the team's radio broadcast rightsholder) until the end of last season which put him in the same boat as the beat writers. Terry Jones & Dan Barnes are columnists for whom locker room access is not a crucial part of doing their job. Their near-silence until after DM's firing is far less understandable than Hallsy's.

[EskimosDiggity]

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Incredibly Bryan Hall of all people makes a ton of sense in this chat with CTV's Dave Mitchell:

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/
Click on 'Hallsy holds nothing back on the Eskimos'.

I just listened to Hallsy blast the team and say that Eskimo fans want a team we can be proud of. Then he contradicts himself by saying we need a Tillman or a Higgins here to turn it around. He said those are the first two names that popped into his head. He said Tillman? How can anyone in their right mind be proud of having him as our GM? I think Hallsy needs to hear the news that this man just plead guilty to sexually assaulting a minor a few months ago. I don't care about phony circumstances invented around this crap. Muley69 put it good in another post of how it went down. Also don't forget that Tillman plead guilty for a reason and the Eskimo board of govenors better be fully aware of this and that some further crap may come out to embarrass this organization. Like we need that to happen on top of how bad the team is right now. Not to mention what Terry Jones and other Edmonton media will do to Tillman if he is hired. Jones has already stated Tillman won't be hired due to what he did. I think hiring a GM like Tillman will be like unleashing a pack of wolves on our team with the media. Look how Jones is calling out the team already so imagine what he'd do to Tillman. I also didn't mention that there would be a large fan revolt and you can count on that. RLL and the board better be aware of all of this.