Coaching staff...take control or relinquish some control...

[Beerfish]

On field game day coaching in the heat of battle. I'm thinking of a number of plays from last game where we had confusion that shouldn't happen (at least not often). I think coaches have to go one of two ways, either make it clear to all players that the coaches are in charge of all decisions and that you must immediately look for their guidance (which I'm not a fan of) or coach up the players and have faith that the players out there will make the correct call or play.

- The debacle at the end of the half. Inside 30 seconds I'd like to see the Qb take charge and call his own plays and make him responsilbe for time management. We have had discussion on this forum as to whos fault it was that the Esks screwed up. Have enough smarts to let go of the reigns and let the QB take over in the huiry up.

- There were too different times in the second half when the Bombers took penalties, it was like the keystone cops out there as the defense was taking the penalty and the coaches wanted to decline. The defensive captian should either be looking at the bench right away for the call or making his own call. (In the one case I was very glad the defense took the penalty. Maciocia wanted to decline the penalty setting up a 3rd and very short rather than making it 2nd and about 30.)

- The last play foolishness, the call was a terrible one from the coaching staff (not specifically calling a blitz but not having a d-formation that has 5 or 6 guys rushing and everyone else 60 yards back. The players have to take responsibility here as well, silly that all the db's weren't far enough back.

[earl2]

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The debacle at the end of the half. Inside 30 seconds I'd like to see the Qb take charge and call his own plays and make him responsilbe for time management. We have had discussion on this forum as to whos fault it was that the Esks screwed up. Have enough smarts to let go of the reigns and let the QB take over in the huiry up.

I couldn't agree more with this part. Especially with a guy like RR. Let him run the offence in those situations. He's proven in the past that he can do it.

[bceskiesfan]

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- The last play foolishness, the call was a terrible one from the coaching staff (not specifically calling a blitz but not having a d-formation that has 5 or 6 guys rushing and everyone else 60 yards back. The players have to take responsibility here as well, silly that all the db's weren't far enough back.

I'm still having a real hard time getting over this one.

[Jtuck09]

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I think it's time Ricky started making more calls period and not having to look over at the bench after every stinkin' play. He's been in this league long enough to get a feel for how the game is going. Let him make some calls. He is smart enough to be able to do that.

[turftoe27]

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On field game day coaching in the heat of battle. I'm thinking of a number of plays from last game where we had confusion that shouldn't happen (at least not often). I think coaches have to go one of two ways, either make it clear to all players that the coaches are in charge of all decisions and that you must immediately look for their guidance (which I'm not a fan of) or coach up the players and have faith that the players out there will make the correct call or play.

- The debacle at the end of the half. Inside 30 seconds I'd like to see the Qb take charge and call his own plays and make him responsilbe for time management. We have had discussion on this forum as to whos fault it was that the Esks screwed up. Have enough smarts to let go of the reigns and let the QB take over in the huiry up.

- There were too different times in the second half when the Bombers took penalties, it was like the keystone cops out there as the defense was taking the penalty and the coaches wanted to decline. The defensive captian should either be looking at the bench right away for the call or making his own call. (In the one case I was very glad the defense took the penalty. Maciocia wanted to decline the penalty setting up a 3rd and very short rather than making it 2nd and about 30.)

- The last play foolishness, the call was a terrible one from the coaching staff (not specifically calling a blitz but not having a d-formation that has 5 or 6 guys rushing and everyone else 60 yards back. The players have to take responsibility here as well, silly that all the db's weren't far enough back.

[12GreyCups]

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At least everyone is on the same page now. Coaching is a problem with this team.

Beerfish- I don't understand why you feel the blitz was correct. You utilize the blitz to cause the opposing QB to lose a down. In this instance you didn't give a rats ass if he lost a down or not. In fact, you'd be hoping he made a down just to run out the clock. Give the team the underneath stuff, ten yards. Have everyone else back with two safeties on the 50. No, the blitz on that play was the wrong play. You wanted every avialable player back preventing anything deep, and if anything did go deep you wanted players deeper, protecting a 100 yard TD run.

[turftoe27]

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WELL SAID. Their bench looked very unprofessional in this game. IMO ESKS take more delay of game penalties than any team in CFL. On offence maybe D.M. should rely more on his co-ordinator to make play calls, then he would have more time to make the game management decisions.

[joe smoe]

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The best way to relinguish control is to fire DM. Let's bring in Marshall and give him a shot. It can't get any worse and believe me folks I have felt this way for two years. He is awful.

[12GreyCups]

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The best way to relinguish control is to fire DM. Let's bring in Marshall and give him a shot. It can't get any worse and believe me folks I have felt this way for two years. He is awful.

Coach of the Year a few years ago wasn't he? I am with you on this one.

[Beerfish]

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At least everyone is on the same page now. Coaching is a problem with this team.

Beerfish- I don't understand why you feel the blitz was correct. You utilize the blitz to cause the opposing QB to lose a down. In this instance you didn't give a rats ass if he lost a down or not. In fact, you'd be hoping he made a down just to run out the clock. Give the team the underneath stuff, ten yards. Have everyone else back with two safeties on the 50. No, the blitz on that play was the wrong play. You wanted every avialable player back preventing anything deep, and if anything did go deep you wanted players deeper, protecting a 100 yard TD run.

No you blitz to make the Qb rush what he is doing, if you get a sack fine, if not you make him throw before he wants to or at minimum no allow him to scramble.

We lost in Calgary BECAUSE we did the three man rush and sit back, Burris was able to scarmble around and hit Lewis because we put no pressure on him.

If you look at the replay of that last play, we blitzed which was okay but

a) our db's for some dumb reason did not get deep and
b) they still dropped some players back only about 20 yards.

Those two things were the stupid part. Actually putting pressure on a Qb on the last play rather than a dumb 3 man rush is always the way to go in my books. I've seen it time and time again that the guys you don't blitz but just drop back 15-20 yards is a total waste.

Again, if the Esks had not blitzed on that last play they still would have lost because the fact that the DB's did not dropping back had nothing to do with the blitz.

[12GreyCups]

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No you blitz to make the Qb rush what he is doing, if you get a sack fine, if not you make him throw before he wants to or at minimum no allow him to scramble.

We lost in Calgary BECAUSE we did the three man rush and sit back, Burris was able to scarmble around and hit Lewis because we put no pressure on him.

If you look at the replay of that last play, we blitzed which was okay but

a) our db's for some dumb reason did not get deep and
b) they still dropped some players back only about 20 yards.

Those two things were the stupid part. Actually putting pressure on a Qb on the last play rather than a dumb 3 man rush is always the way to go in my books. I've seen it time and time again that the guys you don't blitz but just drop back 15-20 yards is a total waste.

Again, if the Esks had not blitzed on that last play they still would have lost because the fact that the DB's did not dropping back had nothing to do with the blitz.

Yes, and as I stated in another thread, in scoring position you should blitz. Versus Calgary we should have rushed more than three. I agree with a blitz in a third down scenario with the other team in scoring range.

Beerfish, you are one of the smartest football analysts on this site. But you are wrong in this instance. And I am rather shocked. In that scenario you put the pressure on the QB by not giving him any long stuff and forcing him to throw short. Once he throws short time is up and the game is over. But the backfield was bare in this instance.

If the coaching staff noticed the problem they should have used their time-out.

Burris crossed the line of scrimmage anyway in that game. He dropped back three yards before he threw for a reason.

[Beerfish]

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Yes, and as I stated in another thread, in scoring position you should blitz. Versus Calgary we should have rushed more than three. I agree with a blitz in a third down scenario with the other team in scoring range.

Beerfish, you are one of the smartest football analysts on this site. But you are wrong in this instance. And I am rather shocked. In that scenario you put the pressure on the QB by not giving him any long stuff and forcing him to throw short. Once he throws short time is up and the game is over. But the backfield was bare in this instance.

If the coaching staff noticed the problem they should have used their time-out.

Burris crossed the line of scrimmage anyway in that game. He dropped back three yards before he threw for a reason.

Sorry we will have to agree to disagree, in that partuclar play the Eskimos did not blitz a bunch of guys thus taking them away from deep coverage. The guys that people would have had not blitz would have dropped back 20 yards and watched as the Bombers scored the very same td.

People are getting knotted up in the blitz, that is not what cost us the big play it's the having 2 guys back pedaling 20 yards back and the rest of our BD's inexplicably not dropping deep.

On the last play the QB is not going to throw short, no way no how, they had one chance and that was the hail mary.

Well whether Burris crossed the line or not, he was crumpling under our blitz all game, the times we rushed 3 and let him dance around he made plays.

[Diesel]

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On field game day coaching in the heat of battle. I'm thinking of a number of plays from last game where we had confusion that shouldn't happen (at least not often). I think coaches have to go one of two ways, either make it clear to all players that the coaches are in charge of all decisions and that you must immediately look for their guidance (which I'm not a fan of) or coach up the players and have faith that the players out there will make the correct call or play.

- The debacle at the end of the half. Inside 30 seconds I'd like to see the Qb take charge and call his own plays and make him responsilbe for time management. We have had discussion on this forum as to whos fault it was that the Esks screwed up. Have enough smarts to let go of the reigns and let the QB take over in the huiry up.

- There were too different times in the second half when the Bombers took penalties, it was like the keystone cops out there as the defense was taking the penalty and the coaches wanted to decline. The defensive captian should either be looking at the bench right away for the call or making his own call. (In the one case I was very glad the defense took the penalty. Maciocia wanted to decline the penalty setting up a 3rd and very short rather than making it 2nd and about 30.)

- The last play foolishness, the call was a terrible one from the coaching staff (not specifically calling a blitz but not having a d-formation that has 5 or 6 guys rushing and everyone else 60 yards back. The players have to take responsibility here as well, silly that all the db's weren't far enough back.

On the defensive side, that's the reason we need AJ back asap.