Hindsight is 94/94

[sacker]

When you see the Flames looking up their stars why could the Oil not have done that in the spring with Smyth? Or did Lowe do the right thing by getting something for him and not over paying him?

[tony_montana]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

No, I would think that it has become painfully obvious (if the last 2 months of the season were not obvious enough) that Lowe screwed the pooch royally. His usuall defenders will come on here, and list the numerous reasons why this is not his fault, you can believe them if you want to.

[Beerfish]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

Well it all comes down to recognizing whether it was an overpayment or not. It certainly wasn't as it turns out. Despite Lowe chiding Buffalo for not taking it personally and it is all about business I get the frim impression that he does take things personally and lets that effect his judgement on certian moves. I don't hold Lowe or the organization at fault for not being able to deliver in the last short while. I do do hold them at fault for creating a non player friendly atmosphere with the organization over the last 5 years or so.

The mistakes made over these years are coming home to roost.

[fivedaytrial]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

what's done is done and weather it was lowes fault or ryans doesn't really matter .so why dwell on it ?


thank you both for your contributions to this city now lets move on and start fresh i say

[Beerfish]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

what's done is done and weather it was lowes fault or ryans doesn't really matter .so why dwell on it ?


thank you both for your contributions to this city now lets move on and start fresh i say

Well yes it does matter who was 'at fault'. Two things, accountability for ones decisions and recognizing bad decsions so you won't repeat them.

[PDO]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

Hindsight?

What's that?

Here's the facts: The Oilers dropped the ball, and then cheaped out on Smyth, the face of the franchise and it's best player. Now we got raped for him. He won't be back.

Who cares.

This is a disaster.

First Pronger, now Smyth. I'm getting really sick of this...

I can't believe I'm quoting McGuire but he said O'Marra will be a third liner at best and the Islanders screwed up by taking Nilsson when they did and have now fixed that by basically screwing the Oil.

He's 100% correct IMO.

I've supported Lowe to this point, but it sounds like this deal was made in 20mins prior to the deadline when it should have been resolved well in advance of that. Lowe should have been on the phones all morning to teams seeing what they woudl give us for Smyth.

We got hosed.

Again.

I doubt it.

Those of you who think Sykora and Smyth will be Oilers next year are just as delusional as those of you who thought Samsonov, Peca, or Spacek would be Oilers this year...

Was out having a bad day. Came home and find out Ryan Smyth was traded for......

WAY TO GO KEVIN LOWE!

Christ. TERRIBLE trade.

This is different - our management has cap space galore, and it's piss poor asset management anyway you slice it.

How is Petr Sykora still an Oiler? How is Jussi Markkanen still an Oiler? How on Earth is O'Marra, Nilson and a 1st even worth it anyway?

I'd rather win in the playoffs and not pick up a playoff ghost.

The UFA list this year sucks as well. Great.

Drury, Briere, Gomez, Timmonem, Hannan, Rafalski, Kariya, Markov

That's about it. Joy.

Again we trade today for the future. Still waiting for that future to come.

The mistake they made was not signing him for 5 at the begining of the season

Lots of people here didn't even need it, and I've barely even skimmed for some of the stuff I had a few days later when I started to break down the comparables for the deal.

It was bad then, it's terrible now. Kevin Lowe absolutely dropped the ball with an elite player, for the second consecutive time, and he's yet to make up for it. Trading Ryan Smyth has managed to partially cost this team the playoffs one year, and will likely cost them two more playoff appearances before all is said and done...

[Klaus]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

Smyth is not an elite player....

70 Points is now elite?

[fivedaytrial]

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Well yes it does matter who was 'at fault'. Two things, accountability for ones decisions and recognizing bad decsions so you won't repeat them.

i'm sure he was taught that by his father when he was six ,he has admitted part fault in the whole fiasco so why not move on ?

[PDO]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

Smyth is not an elite player....

70 Points is now elite?

Notice how there are two nets?

The goal isn't to score goals, it's to score more goals than the other team .

Ryan Smyth is elite at doing that. Shawn Horcoff as well. Ales Hemsky is well on his way. Raffi Torres and Fernando Pisani are very effective at this. As was Jason Smith, and Steve Staios. Hopefully we can soon add guys like Smid, Pouliot, Pitkanen and Greene to that list.

Ryan Smyth is an elite player for the same reasons that Chris Druy is.

And for the same reasons that Daniel Briere and Scott Gomez are not.

[Klaus]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

I just don't think Smyth and the word 'elite' should be anywhere near eachother. That's all.

edit.

[Deathsdoorstep]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

Notice how there are two nets?

The goal isn't to score goals, it's to score more goals than the other team .

Ryan Smyth is elite at doing that. Shawn Horcoff as well. Ales Hemsky is well on his way. Raffi Torres and Fernando Pisani are very effective at this. As was Jason Smith, and Steve Staios. Hopefully we can soon add guys like Smid, Pouliot, Pitkanen and Greene to that list.

Ryan Smyth is an elite player for the same reasons that Chris Druy is.

And for the same reasons that Daniel Briere and Scott Gomez are not.

None of those guys are as cool as Maurice Richard was. That guy would score 30-50 goals in a season when the season was 50 games long. He broke his ankle and his wrist and still made it back in an era when those kinds of injuries could mean your career. He came back to finish a game after dislocating his shoulder...and scored 2 goals. I admire this. I ripped out my shoulder this year. I cried like a 5 year old. He had his put back in and went out and scored 2 goals. Today's hockey players act tough, but compared to Rocket Richard they're pussies! He even punched out a ref!

Smyth is an upper echelon player IMO, as well. 36 goals in his last 2 seasons. Plus all the intangibles he brings.

We'd be happy to pay him $6M a year for 5 years right now, yet $5.5M was out of the question 3 months ago?

[Deathsdoorstep]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

I just don't think Smyth and the word 'elite' should be anywhere near eachother. That's all.

edit.

He has an elite mullet. Canny argue that, mate.

[Klaus]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

He has an elite mullet. Canny argue that, mate.

I definitely can't.

[BaronAmongYou]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

I really believe Smyth had his mind made up to test the free agent waters no matter what the Oilers (or Islanders) did. Would I rather have the O'Marra, Nielson, and Plante over 18 extra games with Smyth? Yes I would.

Just one man's opinion, mind you.

[Opus]

Re: Hindsight is 94/94

An Elite player can carry an entire team on his back and deliver a win when otherwise they wouldn't or couldn't........Smyth has never nor will ever be that guy.

He is perhaps one of the best "complimentary" players in the game today, but that is about it. He will never be "the guy". He was looking to be paid as such......the Oilers are better off without him....and this is from a non-Oilers fans perspective.