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    Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

    .. and he also said they were talking earlier in the season, but couldn't get it done.

    Honestly, I don't see much I'd want from Ottawa. Meszaros would be interesting, obviously, but we're already overloaded with young D who still can't quite yet play, and I doubt Ottawa would trade Meszaros for Stoll straight up either. A 1st is nice, but it'd be very late and not nearly enough on it's own.

    I think Vermette is a pretty solid player, but do the Oilers really need another softish, offensive minded player? Foligno is the only prospect that really interests me... he's a little rugged, a LW, and can chip in occasionally.

    Really though, it doesn't look like much of a match.

    That said, I do think trading Stoll makes a lot of sense. Down the middle right now we have 10-89-13, with several guys knocking on the door, and a host of guys who can also play pivot, including Brodziak, Pisani, Reasoner (who, admittedly, may not be back next season), and of course Pouliot on the farm, along with Nash down in the NCAA.

    On the PP, his value is clearly on the point. Ideally, I'm hoping to see Hemsky moved back to the point on the PP... but outside of him, we still have 77-44-25, along IIRC Cogliano played the point in College.

    The PK? We'd miss him to an extent, for sure, but again we'd still have 10/34/18/51/13/19, and hopefully next year they work on getting 14 in on the PK as well.

    And, of course, we have to pay him at least $2,000,000 next season, if not more, so it certainly doesn't hurt in that regard.

    The guy I really want remains Jeff Carter, who is reportedly on the block.

    27-10-83
    14-89-Carter
    18-13-34

    And suddenly we have a nice little top 9 there, and we already know we hav a fourth line in 20-51-46.
    "This year, we did what we were supposed to do. We fought as a team. We fought as a team. And the fact is, we gotta go back and go to work, to make sure we finish this next time. That's all we gotta do. This right here makes us stronger. Let's understand who we are as a team. Let's understand this right here makes us stronger." - Ray Lewis, January, 2012.

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    Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

    Stoll is a guy I really don't want to see go as despite his year I still think he's got an upside. That said, we need that cash to re-sign Pitkanen. I can't see us getting a fair return for him unfortunately.
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      #3
      Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

      Originally posted by stamphater View Post
      Stoll is a guy I really don't want to see go as despite his year I still think he's got an upside. That said, we need that cash to re-sign Pitkanen. I can't see us getting a fair return for him unfortunately.
      I like Stoll, but I think he's useful in a pretty limited view... the guy just can't create much offense at 5v5. I mean, there's a ton of ways to create it, but most require either A) Good speed, B) Fantastic passing, C) A quick release or D) Size and strength. Stoll doesn't have any of these, and I think that's why his production at 5v5 has always left a lot to desire. He can certainly play defensively, he's good on the draw, he competes every shift... but I'm not sure he'll ever be more than a 2nd line type player who can help on special teams. The problem is, is the points he puts up on the PP drive up his salary past his worth...

      imo, of course .

      And as you said, we need some money for Pitkanen, and it has to come from somewhere. Stoll's a guy who we can find a replacement for without paying more.... there aren't a lot of guys we can say that about.
      "This year, we did what we were supposed to do. We fought as a team. We fought as a team. And the fact is, we gotta go back and go to work, to make sure we finish this next time. That's all we gotta do. This right here makes us stronger. Let's understand who we are as a team. Let's understand this right here makes us stronger." - Ray Lewis, January, 2012.

      Superbowl Champs 2013.

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        #4
        Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

        IIRC, the Sens would have to move a roster player as they're right up against the cap.
        Not sure who they have who we'd want...
        These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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          Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

          Originally posted by earl2 View Post
          IIRC, the Sens would have to move a roster player as they're right up against the cap.
          Not sure who they have who we'd want...
          I think they're in decent shape (nhlnumbers.com has them with 3.5, but I think injuries have likely cut into that a bit....), but regardless they'd only need about $650K at the deadline to take on Stoll.
          "This year, we did what we were supposed to do. We fought as a team. We fought as a team. And the fact is, we gotta go back and go to work, to make sure we finish this next time. That's all we gotta do. This right here makes us stronger. Let's understand who we are as a team. Let's understand this right here makes us stronger." - Ray Lewis, January, 2012.

          Superbowl Champs 2013.

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            #6
            Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

            Personally I don't care who we get back for him. He's a 3rd-4th line player who's playing on the 2nd line, and that's not right for the money he's making. He leads the team in plus/minus and has only scored 10 goals all year. Being a good faceoff man and PKer is not enough to justify a salary of $3 million+. He's paid to score, and he's not doing it enough, period.

            A draft pick, future considerations, some Quebec poutine, a Montreal smoked meat sandwich, who cares what we get back for him? If Ottawa wants him get rid of him because bottom line is we need the cap space and his salary money is better spent elsewhere. We have too many soft defensive guys on the roster already, and Stoll is one of the most overpaid on the team.

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              #7
              Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

              Obviously I like Stoll a heck of a lot more than Rayminator...
              These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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                Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                Originally posted by Rayminator View Post
                Personally I don't care who we get back for him. He's a 3rd-4th line player who's playing on the 2nd line, and that's not right for the money he's making. He leads the team in plus/minus and has only scored 10 goals all year. Being a good faceoff man and PKer is not enough to justify a salary of $3 million+. He's paid to score, and he's not doing it enough, period.

                A draft pick, future considerations, some Quebec poutine, a Montreal smoked meat sandwich, who cares what we get back for him? If Ottawa wants him get rid of him because bottom line is we need the cap space and his salary money is better spent elsewhere. We have too many soft defensive guys on the roster already, and Stoll is one of the most overpaid on the team.
                Yer nutz. The guy is a top 6 in the league face off guy. He has the ability to play the point on the powerplay. He doesn't get gold plated linemates all the time (like horcoff) and you want to dump him for nothing.

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                  Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                  Originally posted by Beerfish View Post
                  Yer nutz. The guy is a top 6 in the league face off guy. He has the ability to play the point on the powerplay. He doesn't get gold plated linemates all the time (like horcoff) and you want to dump him for nothing.
                  Yes, because he's overpaid. His trade value is low. Trade him to whoever wants him, and get back anything for him. We need the salary cap space.

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                    #10
                    Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                    Originally posted by Rayminator View Post
                    Yes, because he's overpaid. His trade value is low. Trade him to whoever wants him, and get back anything for him. We need the salary cap space.
                    And spend 2.5 million dollars to replace him with an equal or inferior player...
                    These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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                      #11
                      Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                      Stoll has value, to a lot of teams, that outstrips his value to the Oilers.

                      THAT is why we should trade him.
                      "This year, we did what we were supposed to do. We fought as a team. We fought as a team. And the fact is, we gotta go back and go to work, to make sure we finish this next time. That's all we gotta do. This right here makes us stronger. Let's understand who we are as a team. Let's understand this right here makes us stronger." - Ray Lewis, January, 2012.

                      Superbowl Champs 2013.

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                        #12
                        Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                        Originally posted by PDO View Post
                        Stoll has value, to a lot of teams, that outstrips his value to the Oilers.

                        THAT is why we should trade him.
                        I think you undervalue Stoll. His abilities in the faceoff can't be under-estimated. Hell, Yanic Perreault's only value the past 4 years is he can win faceoffs. He has a good release and as you've said is great in his own zone. But if I was forced to choose between keeping him and giving his money to Joni Pitkanen for a long-term deal. It's bye-bye Jarret.
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                        Of course stamphater is sacred... we all worship the ground he walks on.

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                          #13
                          Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                          Originally posted by stamphater View Post
                          I think you undervalue Stoll. His abilities in the faceoff can't be under-estimated. Hell, Yanic Perreault's only value the past 4 years is he can win faceoffs. He has a good release and as you've said is great in his own zone. But if I was forced to choose between keeping him and giving his money to Joni Pitkanen for a long-term deal. It's bye-bye Jarret.
                          I know the Oilers couldn't move Torres even if they wanted to due to his injury; but if the Oilers choose to keep Torres over Stoll, I'll be sick.
                          These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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                            #14
                            Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                            I won't get into this thread, much.

                            But, if Ottawa's interested......don't they already have a pretty similar guy in Mike Fisher? (minus the PP point presence, of course). Don't get me wrong, I'm not all that familiar with the Sens, but Fisher seems to be able to do most of the things Stoll does.

                            And like has been said, I'm not sure I see anyone there I'd particularly like coming back, either.
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                              #15
                              Re: Pierre Lebrun - Oilers/Stoll haven't talked yet, Ottawa interested.

                              I'm hoping to see Hemsky moved back to the point on the PP...

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