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    Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

    From the Beeb
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7307584.stm

    By Helen Briggs, Science reporter, BBC News

    Saturn's moon Titan may have a deep, hidden ocean, according to data published in the journal Science.

    Radar images from the Cassini-Huygens mission reinforce predictions that a reservoir of liquid water exists beneath the thick crust of ice.

    If confirmed, it would mean that Titan has two of the key components for life - water and organic molecules.

    Currently, three other Solar System objects are suspected of having deep oceans: Ganymede, Callisto and Europa.

    The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of the US space agency (Nasa), the European Space Agency (Esa) and the Italian Space Agency (Asi).

    When Cassini began to observe the largest of Saturn's moons in 2004, the surface was thought to be completely covered with an ocean of hydrocarbons.

    But when the spacecraft turned its radar on the moon for the first time in 2004, and the Huygens probe parachuted to the surface a year later, a different picture emerged.

    Much of the surface was found to be solid, with geological features such as dunes, channels and impact craters, punctuated by vast "lakes".

    Cassini's latest fly-by of Titan is providing a new glimpse of these features, which to researchers' surprise, are not in the place they should be.

    Coupled with models of how the moon spins, the data suggests that the observed seasonal variation in spin rate could only exist if a liquid ocean lay beneath the solid crust.

    The researchers, led by Dr Ralph Lorenz of Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, US, say their predictions can be checked in the proposed extended Cassini mission or in future missions.

    John Zarnecki, Professor of Space Science, at the UK's Open University, who was not part of the study, said the motivation to go back to Titan with a more sophisticated space probe was "overwhelming".

    Evidence suggests that Titan has two of the key constituents for the formation of life - water and organic molecules, and possibly a third - a source of energy, he said.

    Prof Zarnecki told BBC News: "We know there are organic molecules, the place is swarming in organics.

    "Titan is 50% water-ice. If it is liquid, as this paper is implying some of it is, it looks as though we've got at least two of the things to initiate the chemistry that leads to life.

    "It wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine certain spots on Titan where there would be a source of energy - maybe geothermal energy, as we have on Earth at the bottom of the oceans."

    Titan is the second largest moon in the Solar System; only Jupiter's Ganymede satellite is bigger.

    Past observations have shown that Titan in many ways resembles a very early Earth, particularly in the composition of its atmosphere. The major difference is the frigid temperatures out near Saturn.

    Prof Zarnecki added: "We've got to go back again with balloons and rovers and really understand this place."
    There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

    #2
    Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

    Very cool, nice find!
    Look. We can go round and round about this all the live long day. Let's keep it simple. I embody amazement. Can you dig on that? Good. Then meet me on the corner of rock and roll, and bring a flask of something that burns.

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      #3
      Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

      I really need to get that 50 inch newtonian built in my backyard.

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        WASHINGTON (AP) -- The explosion of a star halfway across the universe was so huge it set a record for the most distant object that could be seen on Earth by the naked eye.
        art.exploding.star.nasa.jpg

        A star 7.5 billion light years away exploded, giving off the brightest gamma-ray burst afterglow ever seen.

        The aging star, in a previously unknown galaxy, exploded in a gamma ray burst 7.5 billion light years away, its light finally reaching Earth early Wednesday.

        The gamma rays were detected by NASA's Swift satellite at 2:12 a.m. "We'd never seen one before so bright and at such a distance," NASA's Neil Gehrels said.

        It was bright enough to be seen with the naked eye.

        However, NASA has no reports that any skywatchers spotted the burst, which lasted less than an hour.

        Telescopic measurements show that the burst -- which occurred when the universe was about half its current age -- was bright enough to be seen without a telescope.

        "Someone would have had to run out and look at it with a naked eye, but didn't," said Gehrels, chief of NASA's astroparticles physics lab at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

        The starburst would have appeared as bright as some of the stars in the handle of the Little Dipper constellation, said Penn State University astronomer David Burrows. How it looked wasn't remarkable, but the distance traveled was.

        The 7.5 billion light years away far eclipses the previous naked eye record of 2.5 million light years. One light year is 5.9 trillion miles.

        "This is roughly halfway to the edge of the universe," Burrows said.

        Before it exploded, the star was about 40 times bigger than our sun. The explosion vaporized any planet nearby, Gehrels said.
        Astronomy is so cool.
        "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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          #5
          Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

          The universe must teem with life. Everywhere we look, there is the opportunity for life to emerge and flourish.

          Even in the Argo locker room.

          (Ok that was a joke, folks. Sorry. Make some Ottawa jokes to make up for it, ok?)
          This space for rent. Cheap.

          Delivery charges may apply.

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            #6
            Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

            Originally posted by Solar Max View Post
            The universe must teem with life. Everywhere we look, there is the opportunity for life to emerge and flourish.

            Even in the Argo locker room.

            (Ok that was a joke, folks. Sorry. Make some Ottawa jokes to make up for it, ok?)
            Nobody will give you a rough ride for that comment.
            WALTER IS MY HERO!!

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              #7
              Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

              There's plenty of life in Ottawa...I'm just not sure how much of it is sentient.

              Yes, another politician joke...
              Out of my mind; back in five minutes.

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                #8
                Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                Originally posted by Angelus View Post
                Astronomy is so cool.
                And it is a hobby that doesn't have to cost a lot to get into. I bought my five inch newt for $230.

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                  #9
                  Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                  Originally posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
                  And it is a hobby that doesn't have to cost a lot to get into. I bought my five inch newt for $230.
                  That's ALL? That is super cheap!

                  What's the focal length, all that?
                  This space for rent. Cheap.

                  Delivery charges may apply.

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                    #10
                    Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                    5 inch aperature, 900 mm focal length. German equatoral mount.

                    It's a newtonian reflector. They come cheap, they come expensive. Depends on what you want for bells and whistles.

                    www.thescienceshop.ca

                    Southgate mall. Best store in town for this stuff.

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                      #11
                      Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                      I got an 8-inch Orion Newtonian reflector for $500.

                      Well, actually I got my university to buy it for me It's been amazing. We got great views of that comet that flared up a couple of months ago.
                      Out of my mind; back in five minutes.

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                        #12
                        Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                        I would do it, honestly. Trouble is, while we here on the Southern Island actually get less precipitation annually than you in Edmonton do, there are far more cloudy skies between October and May than you have.

                        Winter is when I would want to use the thing, with the longer nights and all.

                        Having said that, the trip home from Vancouver to the Island after Lions games allows for some dark skies like we rarely see here. I just use the binocs I take to the game, but the Milky Way and all on July nights from the middle of the Strait of Georgia far from any city lights....wow
                        This space for rent. Cheap.

                        Delivery charges may apply.

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                          #13
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                          Originally posted by pizmo View Post
                          Nobody will give you a rough ride for that comment.
                          Zing. I get it

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                            #14
                            Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                            Originally posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
                            And it is a hobby that doesn't have to cost a lot to get into. I bought my five inch newt for $230.
                            I got a lizard for $15 at Pet's Are Us. You got ripped.
                            WALTER IS MY HERO!!

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                              #15
                              Re: Saturn moon may have hidden ocean

                              Originally posted by glenvb View Post
                              I got an 8-inch Orion Newtonian reflector for $500.

                              Well, actually I got my university to buy it for me It's been amazing. We got great views of that comet that flared up a couple of months ago.
                              Orion makes good stuff. I wish you didn't have to buy it on the internet.

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