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    Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

    I'm sure some of you hate politics...so if you do, leave and don't sh*t on my thread!

    Originally posted by NY Times
    Conservative Win in Canada Could Help Repair Ties to U.S.

    By CLIFFORD KRAUSS Published: January 23, 2006
    TORONTO, Jan. 22 - Unless every national poll here is amiss, what has been perhaps the world's winningest political party is heading toward a humiliating defeat on Monday.

    Stephen Harper, 46, an economist and social conservative who is writing a history of ice hockey, appears poised to lead his Conservative Party to victory over the Liberal Party of Prime Minister Paul Martin, something that seemed highly improbable just a few weeks ago. The Liberals won the last four national elections, governing Canada for 13 years - as the party did for three-quarters of the past century.

    But whether a Harper victory would represent a seismic shift, in a country that has long promoted itself as a beacon of social democracy and frequent critic of American foreign policy, remains an open question. If he cannot muster a majority in the House of Commons, Mr. Harper may lead a weak, unstable government opposed by three left-of-center parties represented in Parliament.

    Mr. Harper - in a campaign largely free of ideology - promised to cut the national sales tax, grant families child care for preschoolers and introduce mandatory prison sentences. A longtime member of the House of Commons representing Alberta, he has a conservative record, but steered clear in recent months of promising major changes to the national health insurance program.

    The absence of strong ideological overtones would appear to make a Thatcherite-style revolution unlikely, even in the face of a strong Conservative showing. Mr. Harper even noted that judges appointed by Liberal governments and an appointed Senate filled with Liberals would serve as checks on his power.

    "I'm basically a cautious person," Mr. Harper said in a recent speech. "I believe it's better to light one candle than to promise a million light bulbs."

    A change in Ottawa would almost certainly bring, at the least, a warming of relations with Washington, which have been strained since the American-led invasion of Iraq and have worsened over a series of recent trade disputes and Canadian moves to soften domestic drug laws.

    Mr. Harper, while careful not to appear overly supportive of President Bush, has suggested he would reconsider Canada's refusal to join the American missile defense program. He has also promised to increase military spending and make a bigger contribution to NATO and peacekeeping operations in places like Haiti and Afghanistan. But he also said recently that he had no intention of sending troops to Iraq.

    Mr. Martin, a former finance minister and shipping executive, has tried to emphasize the Liberal government's stewardship of the strong national economy, marked by low inflation and unemployment, a strengthening currency and a large budget surplus. He has promised to create a national child care program, expand aid grants to college students and ban handguns.

    These are not unpopular stances, but the decline of Liberal fortunes is due less to any shift in Canadian public opinion than to two years of federal inquiries. Those investigations documented an embarrassing party money-laundering and campaign-finance scheme that had been devised to counter separatists after the close referendum on Quebec sovereignty in 1995.

    Adding to the Liberal Party troubles, in the middle of the campaign, federal police investigators announced that they were looking into reports of possible Liberal government leaks of tax information to friendly investors that had spurred a flurry of insider trading.

    And in Quebec, once a bastion of Liberal support, the party's free fall quickened with the publication of a book documenting allegations that the federal government had laundered millions of dollars of illegal aid to a group opposing separatists during the referendum campaign.

    In recent weeks, the Liberals tried to recover votes with advertisements linking Mr. Harper to Mr. Bush, who is unpopular in Canada, and suggestions in speeches that Mr. Harper would attempt to reverse the legalization of same-sex marriage and abortion rights.

    "A Harper victory will put a smile on George W. Bush's face," one Martin commercial said.

    Various national polls in the final days of the campaign showed the Conservatives about 10 points ahead of the Liberals, but the Conservatives could still fail to win a majority in the House of Commons.

    Mr. Harper leads a party that only three years ago merged a very conservative Canadian Alliance party with the much more moderate Progressive Conservative party.

    "There are different factions and backgrounds and points of view in the Conservative coalition," noted Desmond Morton, a McGill University historian. It will not be easy to manage the factions, he said.

    Mr. Harper's greatest success so far has been his surprising breakthrough in socially liberal Quebec, by taking votes away from both the Liberals and the separatist Bloc Québécois.
    Heading into tomorrow:


    Originally posted by Globe & Mail
    How would you vote if an election were held today?

    Cons. 37%

    Liberal 29%

    NDP 15%

    Bloc 13%

    Green 6%
    And finally some projections:


    Originally posted by Canada Federal Election Website

    Seat Projection:
    CON: 126
    LIB: 93
    BQ: 59
    NDP: 29
    Who would you like to see win and why? Discuss at will.

    PLEASE VOTE!
    "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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    Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

    Originally posted by Angelus
    I'm sure some of you hate politics...so if you do, leave and don't sh*t on my thread!
    I tried........just made a mess of my keyboard and monitor....
    Before you insult a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you'll be a mile away, and have his shoes.

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      #3
      Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

      I'm hoping there's a lot of Conservatives who get out and vote...cause polls are one thing, but not everyone that is polled votes. The "Get Out The Vote" drive is HUGE!!!! So the parties that are most motivated tomorrow could do considerably better then the projection.
      I officially retract my vote for DDS as Prime Minister. He's clearly incompetent.

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        #4
        Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

        The NDP called me today and offered to drive me to the polling station. I said sure, but only if they don't mind that I'm not voting NDP...

        They're not driving me anymore.

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          #5
          Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

          Fair-weather fans....

          I have a better idea. Book a limo. Take it to the polling station. Put a big sign on it that says "Payed for by Conservative tax cuts."
          I officially retract my vote for DDS as Prime Minister. He's clearly incompetent.

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            #6
            Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

            I work in radio, I don't have money for a limo. :P

            I still don't know who I'm voting for to be honest. All I know is it's not the NDP. Too wishy washy throughout the campaign. First they support the Liberals, then the conservatives, now back to the liberals, I'm waiting for Layton to throw in with the Marijuana party or the Marx/Lenin party. Stand alone or choose your side. All I ask.

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              #7
              Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

              Alberta only has 28 seats, but electionprediction.org is predicting all of them will go Conservative.

              Anne McClelland:
              "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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                #8
                Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                I don't care who you vote for - just get out there and vote and may the best (and I use that term subjectively) party win.

                For those of you who want to reject your ballot - it is legal according to the official election info I have.

                If an elector wishes to register a protest against the candidates listed on the ballot, the regular voting procedure must be followed. (The DRO hands the elector a ballot, the elector takes the ballot behind the voting screen, refolds it, gives it back to the deputy returning officer who tears off the counterfoil and returns it to the elector who will deposit it in the ballot box.)

                If the elector refuses to go behind the voting screen (and therefore declines the ballot), he simply hands the ballot back to the the deputy returning officer without marking it....

                ...In accordance with the Canada Elections Act, the ballot is treated as a "rejected" ballot at the count.
                There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

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                  #9
                  Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                  As was mentioned earlier, the polls don't necessarily indicate a whole lot.
                  I'm predicting the Liberals will do better than most people are thinking , and the Conservatives will gain a slim minority.
                  These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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                    #10
                    Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                    If the Conservatives do form a minority, how do they form a coalition? I just can't imagine them in bed with ANY of the other three parties.

                    I dislike most (if not all) of the Conservatives' policies, but just as happened to the Conservatives a decade ago, being in power for so long made the Liberals smug and corrupt. It's time for a change, and there isn't any other real option but them.
                    Out of my mind; back in five minutes.

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                      #11
                      Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                      Originally posted by glenvb
                      If the Conservatives do form a minority, how do they form a coalition? I just can't imagine them in bed with ANY of the other three parties.

                      I dislike most (if not all) of the Conservatives' policies, but just as happened to the Conservatives a decade ago, being in power for so long made the Liberals smug and corrupt. It's time for a change, and there isn't any other real option but them.


                      ^what he said
                      Go Eskies!

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                        #12
                        Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                        I like the Conservative platform and I trust Stephen Harper. Furthermore I'm sick of elections. So I hope its a Conservative majority.

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                          #13
                          Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                          I've already performed my civic duty...got there are 7:30. Right when the polls opened!

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                            #14
                            Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                            Originally posted by 1260 Drew
                            The NDP called me today and offered to drive me to the polling station. I said sure, but only if they don't mind that I'm not voting NDP...

                            They're not driving me anymore.

                            You should have told them that after they dropped you off back at home. Timing is everything...
                            I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                              #15
                              Re: Official Canadian Election Thread 01/23

                              I like many others are frustrated with the state of Canadian politics....Its like getting to choose how you are executed....Take your pick....Firing squad, Gas Chamber, Lethal Injection or Death by Asparagus....

                              Mind you I guess if you know that death is iminent you might as well pick the least painful.....

                              Get out and vote.....(And avoid Asparagus)

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