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    Downsize Commonwealth ?

    Smaller is better

    The time has come to downsize Commonwealth Stadium
    By TERRY JONES




    At the time it seemed like a good idea. And several times since, it has been. But the time has come to downsize Commonwealth Stadium.

    For both the Edmonton Eskimos and the FIFA U-20 World Cup of Soccer, the big stadium is creating perception problems which have become a negative for Edmonton's image and an environment which is less than it could be.

    The timing is right to return the stadium to something resembling the 43,000-seat gem it was back when it was built for the 1978 Commonwealth Games.

    LOOKS LIKE A DISASTER

    What the world television audience is seeing from here in the U-20 World Cup looks like an unmitigated disaster.

    Thousands of empty seats here are contrasted by full stadiums in Toronto, Victoria and Burnaby, where the capacities range from 19,500 to 10,000.

    Edmonton drew 26,804 for the quarter-final, 24,687 for a round of 16 game and 31,579 and 32,058 for two Canada games (with half the fans unable to get into the stadium due to the ticket fiasco and rain and the Canadian team running most of them off after half time in the other game).

    The event has already sold more than 217,385 tickets for eight games and Edmonton is being viewed as the one host city in Canada in which the event hasn't had fans in the stands.

    The Eskimos face the same perception.

    This year, in addition to putting tarps over 8,000 endzone seats and closing down an endzone bar where hundreds of people used to stand to watch a game, the Eskimos are also draping green and gold tarps over seats in the four upper-deck corners.

    "We've done it to tighten up the stadium," said Eskimos CEO Rick LeLacheur.

    LeLacheur knows what has happened here to some extent with 33 C temperatures and 5:45 p.m. starts for the soccer, which not only brings fans to the stadium late for mid-week games, but hot.

    "People want to sit in the shade. The shade side of the stands is the west side. That's the non-TV side. The west side stands always have more fans than the TV side."

    But the bottom line is the stadium is mostly just too damn big.

    FLAGSHIP FRANCHISE

    Back in 1982, when the Eskimos were winning five Grey Cups in a row and the city could tap into three levels of government money toward the hosting of Universiade '83, somebody got the bright idea to expand the joint to 60,000. Eskimos season-ticket numbers soared to over 50,000. It was a success.

    Edmonton was the flagship franchise of the CFL.

    Edmonton's Grey Cup games have attracted crowds of 62,531, 60,431 and 60,081. The Eskimos have drawn as many as 62,444 for a regular-season game and have had six crowds over 59,000.

    The park was close to full for 10 days of the IAAF 2001 World Championships In Athletics. Brazil drew 54,000 in their last soccer game here prior to going south and winning the USA '94 World Cup. The stadium was sold out of tickets for the final of the ballistic FIFA U-19 Women's World Champions.

    But looking back ...

    "Personally I think they made a mistake back in 1982 when it was 43,000 seats," says LeLacheur.

    Remember that stadium? Grass inclines in the corners and endzones to frame the field. Eye candy to TV sports viewers.

    "The size of our stadium is a good thing and a bad thing," says LeLacheur.

    "It really has been a really great thing on a lot of occasions. But most days it's a bad thing. So many times, it makes the stadium look empty."

    The Eskimos deal with it all the time. They draw 40,000, as they likely will Friday night against Saskatchewan, and you still see a lot of empty seats.

    Meanwhile Montreal sells out a 20,202 seat stadium and it's a success story.

    CHEAPER TICKETS

    "There has been a benefit for our fans because our tickets have been cheaper," said LeLacheur.

    But he'd rather have a tough ticket. If the stadium still sat 43,000, LeLacheur is confident that the Eskimos would be sold out and events like the soccer championship would build to sellouts as the event progressed.

    So much is added to the environment with a packed stadium. And there are a lot more reasons to buy advance tickets to events and Eskimo season tickets.

    "Being back to 43,000 would be perfect," said LeLacheur. "It would be full every time and for most events."

    But what do you do? Knock the wings off the stadium? Replace the grass in the corners and endzone?

    One thing to reduce the size would to be to build the Eskimo's offices and dressing room on the north end of the stadium.

    That's been looked at, but hasn't gone anywhere.

    New seats are desperately needed in the 29-year-old stadium. Wider seats with cup holders would bring the capacity down. But they price out at $275 a seat and LeLacheur figures they'll have to be replaced in stages.

    First, a plan is needed to downsize the stadium. It's time.
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    #2
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    how about filling it instead?

    oh yeah, that might mean making it easier for people to get to the games and having parking around the stadium.
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      #3
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      No, dumb idea. I could give a rats ass about perception. If they are worried about that they need to block off the whole upper ring and sell only the lower bowl for soccer. From a customers point of view (and we the fans are the customers) the big stadium and some empty seats are beneficial to us. Sure the atmosphere is not quite as good as otherwise but you can bet if we went back to the glory years the team would be wishing we could fit 50,000 into a 43,000 seat venue.

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        #4
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        So then what happens when you have a big event. Would the track and field championships come here if we had a 43,000 seat stadium. What about GC. Do tickets for that go to $350 because it is a harder sell and god knows who need to make up the revenue. Hey Rick you want eye candy to the TV viewer? Take down the stupid fence and it would also look better to the thousands of people who actually pay money to be in that stadium on game day.
        When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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          #5
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          At the rate that Edmonton is growing downsizing the stadium is short sighted. They need to make it easier to get to games at Commonwealth.

          Those seats may sit empty now, but in 10 years we will be glad we have them when metro Edmonton is at 1,250,000 people.

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            #6
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            Sweet Jeebus...I've read a lot of dumb things from Mr. Jones...but this has to be one of the worst.


            As a lot of you have said already:

            Uh...last I checked, HAVING 60,000 seats is a good thing when we're hosting things such as, oh I don't know, the Grey Cup and other International Sporting Events

            For the U-18 Women's world cup they DID have the upper bowl as "off-limits" for seats to get the butts in the stands where they were viewable on T.V.


            And for an organization that has ZERO parking, we do pretty damn well, thank you very much, in terms of the tickets we DO sell!!!

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              #7
              Re: Downsize Commonwealth ?

              Originally posted by Muley69 View Post
              Sweet Jeebus...I've read a lot of dumb things from Mr. Jones...but this has to be one of the worst.


              As a lot of you have said already:

              Uh...last I checked, HAVING 60,000 seats is a good thing when we're hosting things such as, oh I don't know, the Grey Cup and other International Sporting Events

              For the U-18 Women's world cup they DID have the upper bowl as "off-limits" for seats to get the butts in the stands where they were viewable on T.V.


              And for an organization that has ZERO parking, we do pretty damn well, thank you very much, in terms of the tickets we DO sell!!!
              Never mind Jonsey, what about Rick LeLacheur? And he was the guy who had his hand in many of the big events in this city. Very curious quotes from him.
              When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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                #8
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                I do like the idea of widerseats with cupholders, and I think the energy from a packed housed stadium at 43,000 would be electric, and 'course it would be more pleasing to the tv eye.. but


                with smaller capcity , you'd see prices jacked up for events. Also i've seen pics of the old CW with the grass in the corners , and imo that made it look old, and small market. Also with the small capcity, we could have trouble attracting major events in the future. But also with the full look - that could also have an affect on events coming here



                peronally I dont wanna see it downsized what so ever. You know damn well if they are at 43000 we will eventually be whining we need 60k seats.

                I've been at games chatting with peoples first time to CW and they rave about how awesome it looks.. it looks and feels like a major stadium. Rick wants it to look more pleasing to the view viewer ? Get more asses in the seats - influence the city to trash that uber retarded no parking ban , get rid of those stupid ass fences around the field. I've liked the new paint jobs and tarps at cw.. feels more "homey for the esks" and not just a generic stadium they rent. IMO ever since they banned the parking around CW the attendence has dropped and many of those people became fairweather fans - honestly (nowadays) its a hassle for people to come to the game, roads closed down, no parking, those who offer parking are asking for 20+. Change those things first, and then if attendence doesn't increase , perhaps THEN consider downsizing.
                Last edited by Esks4ever; 07-16-2007, 08:37 AM.

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                  #9
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                  The change I'd like to make to Commonwealth?

                  Have semi permanent seating over top of the track to get fans closer to the action. If we are going to host a big track event, remove the seating otherwise have the closer seating. Part of the perception of no fans (to go along with some empty seats) is the fact that the track keeps that 1st row of fans siginifacntly further from the field that some other stadiums.

                  that and the fact that I'd like us to have a better opportunity to taunt the opposing teams bench.

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                    #10
                    Re: Downsize Commonwealth ?

                    You dont down size, you just take availability of sections away. Put some big decorative banners over top of sections. Have people move down. You dont want to rip seats out, you may need them for things.
                    Blindly accept whatever they do and if it doesn't work out, I guess there's always next year.

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                      #11
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                      Exactly. Tarp off the top corner sections and the bleacher seating in the endzones
                      I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                        #12
                        Re: Downsize Commonwealth ?

                        Originally posted by Beerfish View Post
                        The change I'd like to make to Commonwealth?

                        Have semi permanent seating over top of the track to get fans closer to the action. If we are going to host a big track event, remove the seating otherwise have the closer seating. Part of the perception of no fans (to go along with some empty seats) is the fact that the track keeps that 1st row of fans siginifacntly further from the field that some other stadiums.

                        that and the fact that I'd like us to have a better opportunity to taunt the opposing teams bench.
                        If you take a look at that track, the likelihood of us hosting a big track event without major repairs to that track are minimal, I would even suggest it could be removed permanantly....that track is a mess...

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                          #13
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                          Yeah, I think we should get a pin-sized seat for Jones to park his butt and pea-sized brain in.

                          What a stupid F-ing idea. One of our strengths is the size of our stadium.
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                            #14
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                            It's a pretty stupid idea.

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                              #15
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                              If they are really dead set on ripping out seats, take out the benches below the big socre board. Open it up and make it more accessable for tail gating. BUt you dont rip off wings of the stadium.
                              Blindly accept whatever they do and if it doesn't work out, I guess there's always next year.

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