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    We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

    A Comedy of Errors

    In the unusual streak of rookie head coaches that have rolled through here since the mid 2000's (5 and counting) we've seen yet again the results of what happens when a first year HC takes the reigns and like with CJ, when the first year man also takes on a co-ordinator's role.

    This team was not assembled with the notion of a wholesale staff change, but that's what we got. And there have been some regression pains (I use regression because I haven't seen any growth with the exception of perhaps Walker), in the philosophical, scheme, and personality changes this squad has been asked to take on.

    Sure there's a lot of disappointment to go around; the vets talked the talk but they aren't walking the walk when it comes to not being regarded as 1 year wonders.

    We know that our DC was not our first, or second choice for that matter.

    I think we all expected JM to make his share of rookie HC mistakes, and there have been more than a few when it comes to game management, but knowing him, he will work to get better.

    I'm far more disappointed in the staff around him, including JM the OC but more on that a bit later.

    Bene, while I hoped for the best like we all have, has been very underwhelming, regardless of the D's improved play from the trainwreck beginning of the year. He's taken a D that was built to play fast, and aggressive, and hooked up plows to a bunch of thoroughbreds. I understand that some was out of key personnel losses/injury (Ojo) but the manner in which he chooses to not keep his Dline fresh, further putting pressure on his secondary late in games, leading to multiple collapses is on him. I would be very disappointed if he is back next year if Thorpe becomes available.

    Cory McDiarmid should be sent packing at season's end if it were me. His units have been outcoached, out hustled, and outschemed all season long. Too many times he's been caught with his pants down not being ready for big plays against. The Doe experiment has also fallen flat on it's face, and I find it hard to think Bell couldn't provide what Doe is, allowing us to get 30/33 on the field at the same time

    JM the HC should have a chat with JM the OC and tell him to stop thinking like a QB and more like an OC when it comes to his offensive playcalling balance. Say what you will about McAdoo, but his gameplan and playcalling was far more balance and kept defenses far more OFF balance. When half the building knows when we're going to run (between the 35's usually on first down, seek play) I think our opponents do as well. I would like to see as much creativity into the ground plays as we take in the passing game. Only once against Calgary did we execute a well designed run where we overloaded the right side and caught the stamps in man coverage only to pull our RG to the left side with White for a nice big run. That play stands out cos we've seen so few nice run plays. Also, the DM/JM concept of a 3 yard pass equaling a 3 yrd run is equally as rubbish now as it was then. We have an OLine that is proven to be able to dominate teams at the LOS yet we handicap them in terms of poorly designed running schemes, and predictable situational playcalling

    There is still time to get it turned around and sneak in, and if you get in, anything can happen. The players have to show some urgency and after 9 games, there are no rookies anymore. What concerns me most is we are making too many mistakes and seem too poorly prepared at key times too late in the year. I'm positive year 2 will get better, but as disappointing as it is now, it's hard not to say you could see it coming the way the offseason shaped up firmly stacked against us
    I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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    The Doe experiment has also fallen flat on it's face, and I find it hard to think Bell couldn't provide what Doe is, allowing us to get 30/33 on the field at the same time
    b-b-b-but I've had many a arguments with Dave Campbell with him saying that is impossible to be and cant be done so stop bringing it up

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      #3
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      Thank you Diez for expressing your thoughts and feelings. I agree with all of the points made. It doesn't make me feel hopeful for this year.

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        #4
        Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

        Originally posted by Diesel View Post
        A Comedy of Errors

        In the unusual streak of rookie head coaches that have rolled through here since the mid 2000's (5 and counting) we've seen yet again the results of what happens when a first year HC takes the reigns and like with CJ, when the first year man also takes on a co-ordinator's role.

        This team was not assembled with the notion of a wholesale staff change, but that's what we got. And there have been some regression pains (I use regression because I haven't seen any growth with the exception of perhaps Walker), in the philosophical, scheme, and personality changes this squad has been asked to take on.

        Sure there's a lot of disappointment to go around; the vets talked the talk but they aren't walking the walk when it comes to not being regarded as 1 year wonders.

        We know that our DC was not our first, or second choice for that matter.

        I think we all expected JM to make his share of rookie HC mistakes, and there have been more than a few when it comes to game management, but knowing him, he will work to get better.

        I'm far more disappointed in the staff around him, including JM the OC but more on that a bit later.

        Bene, while I hoped for the best like we all have, has been very underwhelming, regardless of the D's improved play from the trainwreck beginning of the year. He's taken a D that was built to play fast, and aggressive, and hooked up plows to a bunch of thoroughbreds. I understand that some was out of key personnel losses/injury (Ojo) but the manner in which he chooses to not keep his Dline fresh, further putting pressure on his secondary late in games, leading to multiple collapses is on him. I would be very disappointed if he is back next year if Thorpe becomes available.

        Cory McDiarmid should be sent packing at season's end if it were me. His units have been outcoached, out hustled, and outschemed all season long. Too many times he's been caught with his pants down not being ready for big plays against. The Doe experiment has also fallen flat on it's face, and I find it hard to think Bell couldn't provide what Doe is, allowing us to get 30/33 on the field at the same time

        JM the HC should have a chat with JM the OC and tell him to stop thinking like a QB and more like an OC when it comes to his offensive playcalling balance. Say what you will about McAdoo, but his gameplan and playcalling was far more balance and kept defenses far more OFF balance. When half the building knows when we're going to run (between the 35's usually on first down, seek play) I think our opponents do as well. I would like to see as much creativity into the ground plays as we take in the passing game. Only once against Calgary did we execute a well designed run where we overloaded the right side and caught the stamps in man coverage only to pull our RG to the left side with White for a nice big run. That play stands out cos we've seen so few nice run plays. Also, the DM/JM concept of a 3 yard pass equaling a 3 yrd run is equally as rubbish now as it was then. We have an OLine that is proven to be able to dominate teams at the LOS yet we handicap them in terms of poorly designed running schemes, and predictable situational playcalling

        There is still time to get it turned around and sneak in, and if you get in, anything can happen. The players have to show some urgency and after 9 games, there are no rookies anymore. What concerns me most is we are making too many mistakes and seem too poorly prepared at key times too late in the year. I'm positive year 2 will get better, but as disappointing as it is now, it's hard not to say you could see it coming the way the offseason shaped up firmly stacked against us
        Twice this year in obvious times when our opponent needed an extra possession we weren't ready for a "surprise" onside kick that in itself tells me he isn't coaching them up or prepping them properly.
        In Rod we trust

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          #5
          Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

          Originally posted by Diesel View Post
          A Comedy of Errors

          In the unusual streak of rookie head coaches that have rolled through here since the mid 2000's (5 and counting) we've seen yet again the results of what happens when a first year HC takes the reigns and like with CJ, when the first year man also takes on a co-ordinator's role.

          This team was not assembled with the notion of a wholesale staff change, but that's what we got. And there have been some regression pains (I use regression because I haven't seen any growth with the exception of perhaps Walker), in the philosophical, scheme, and personality changes this squad has been asked to take on.

          Sure there's a lot of disappointment to go around; the vets talked the talk but they aren't walking the walk when it comes to not being regarded as 1 year wonders.

          We know that our DC was not our first, or second choice for that matter.

          I think we all expected JM to make his share of rookie HC mistakes, and there have been more than a few when it comes to game management, but knowing him, he will work to get better.

          I'm far more disappointed in the staff around him, including JM the OC but more on that a bit later.

          Bene, while I hoped for the best like we all have, has been very underwhelming, regardless of the D's improved play from the trainwreck beginning of the year. He's taken a D that was built to play fast, and aggressive, and hooked up plows to a bunch of thoroughbreds. I understand that some was out of key personnel losses/injury (Ojo) but the manner in which he chooses to not keep his Dline fresh, further putting pressure on his secondary late in games, leading to multiple collapses is on him. I would be very disappointed if he is back next year if Thorpe becomes available.

          Cory McDiarmid should be sent packing at season's end if it were me. His units have been outcoached, out hustled, and outschemed all season long. Too many times he's been caught with his pants down not being ready for big plays against. The Doe experiment has also fallen flat on it's face, and I find it hard to think Bell couldn't provide what Doe is, allowing us to get 30/33 on the field at the same time

          JM the HC should have a chat with JM the OC and tell him to stop thinking like a QB and more like an OC when it comes to his offensive playcalling balance. Say what you will about McAdoo, but his gameplan and playcalling was far more balance and kept defenses far more OFF balance. When half the building knows when we're going to run (between the 35's usually on first down, seek play) I think our opponents do as well. I would like to see as much creativity into the ground plays as we take in the passing game. Only once against Calgary did we execute a well designed run where we overloaded the right side and caught the stamps in man coverage only to pull our RG to the left side with White for a nice big run. That play stands out cos we've seen so few nice run plays. Also, the DM/JM concept of a 3 yard pass equaling a 3 yrd run is equally as rubbish now as it was then. We have an OLine that is proven to be able to dominate teams at the LOS yet we handicap them in terms of poorly designed running schemes, and predictable situational playcalling

          There is still time to get it turned around and sneak in, and if you get in, anything can happen. The players have to show some urgency and after 9 games, there are no rookies anymore. What concerns me most is we are making too many mistakes and seem too poorly prepared at key times too late in the year. I'm positive year 2 will get better, but as disappointing as it is now, it's hard not to say you could see it coming the way the offseason shaped up firmly stacked against us
          I disagree with your comment about not keeping the D-line fresh. We've been dressing 7, count 'em, 7 D-linemen & that has been providing a rotation, both at DE & DT. Granted, it would have been nice to have had Donny O in there, but he's now off the 6-game IR & in fact was practicing last week. Perhaps he is now ready to return & provide additional National depth....
          No quarrel with the rest of your comments, particularly re the ST coaching. Add to that fact that Maas refuses to get D'oh out of there in favour of someone else....
          Last edited by writfiler; 09-20-2016, 11:09 PM.

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            Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

            Starts with the coaching staff and honestly every single member has been very underwhelming

            Creehan, mcdiramid, are just very poor coaches who have been on losing teams continually, bene has been out of ball for several years.. I was harsh on him at the start of the year but out of all three units his is the only one that seems to show improvement
            I have no idea who our wr coach is .. I'm never a fan of a oline man coaching backs....
            Thought miles would be better to...

            And jmaas is finding out being a hc is not the same has a OC, and I think his OC aspect is suffering because of it

            Needs to a ton of change witting the assistant coaches next year..

            But I truely believe that Maas and Thorpe is a very tasty combination... Might be worth Maas hiring an assistant OC, like Brady is to milanovich

            But this year is not done... We can still crossover and I think we might make a run in the east

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              #7
              Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

              Which Shakespeare Play have we seen before?

              You suggest a "Comedy of Errors".
              Perhaps instead not a comedy, but the tragedy "Maciociabeth"?
              Last edited by Moon1; 09-21-2016, 12:31 AM.

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                #8
                Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                Originally posted by writfiler View Post
                I disagree with your comment about not keeping the D-line fresh. We've been dressing 7, count 'em, 7 D-linemen & that has been providing a rotation, both at DE & DT. Granted, it would have been nice to have had Donny O in there, but he's now off the 6-game IR & in fact was practicing last week. Perhaps he is now ready to return & provide additional National depth....
                No quarrel with the rest of your comments, particularly re the ST coaching. Add to that fact that Maas refuses to get D'oh out of there in favour of someone else....
                They have been dressed but there isn't a consistent rotation

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                  #9
                  Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                  Originally posted by Looner View Post
                  They have been dressed but there isn't a consistent rotation
                  Agreed. Rotation usually means the starters take two series while the backups take one. Rinse, lather and repeat. Spell the starters on long drives of eight plays or more.
                  Last edited by Jedrock43; 09-21-2016, 09:24 AM.

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                    #10
                    Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                    Nice post Diez. Only thing I'd add is there's no sense of urgency at all from this team. They lollygag to and from the line. The "no huddle offence" still winds up getting time count violations at home? WTF is up with that? For years we were complaining about the dink and dunk but I'd rather take the short pass/runs that produce 1st downs than the long (almost hail Mary) passes that either miss the target or worse get intercepted.
                    Once an Eskimo, ALWAYS an Eskimo.

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                      #11
                      Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                      This team could take some inspiration from Dario and Juliette, Tracy Hamlet or King Henry Williams II. Then this will all be Much Ado About Nothing as we enjoy the season finale All's Well That Ends Well.
                      Last edited by Uncle Bobby; 09-21-2016, 10:07 AM.

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                        #12
                        Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                        Our coaching staff has not done well overall, the reason we suck is lack of player talent. Vets that have underachieved, injuries, poor replacements.

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                          #13
                          Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                          Great points made by everyone. Another thing that bugs me is that I feel the team is not hungry enough. Seems to have lost drive and appear at times to be just going thru the motions. The players that should be leading by example are not doing so. Maybe it's time for EH to have a closed door meeting with the players only, no coaches. Have a good "gripe" session. Even trade a vet that figures he has a job for life here, just as an attention getter to some others.

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                            #14
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                            I don't see a need for that as there seems to be no signs of disunity at all. They are just not executing well in most phases, coaches and players alike
                            I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                              #15
                              Re: We've Seen this Shakespaere Play Before

                              Originally posted by cmbuk View Post
                              But I truely believe that Maas and Thorpe is a very tasty combination... Might be worth Maas hiring an assistant OC, like Brady is to milanovich
                              Retired Ricky Ray?
                              "Because this Eskimo experience is not made for just anyone" - KP

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