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    #16
    Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

    Originally posted by Nanookster View Post
    Bad PR, if it wasn't in the least bit true he should have had his PR people all over it.
    That's a good point...one I didn't think of.
    Once an Eskimo, ALWAYS an Eskimo.

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      #17
      Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

      Originally posted by Nanookster View Post
      Bad PR, if it wasn't in the least bit true he should have had his PR people all over it.
      ah.... if only it were that easy.
      It's not to say that you're wrong, it's just that you make it sound so easy. It isn't. More often than not what a 'reactionary situation' like this does is:
      a) demonstrate failure, or lack, of a real issues management plan (which includes having the right people available at any given moment)
      b) a lack of funds for monitoring and early warning as well as for conducting the reaction.

      As for b), one could say that the $$ spent is far less important than the reputation lost. And you'd be right! But trying to get companies to part with the 4$ is far, far easier said than done. (You don't want to know how much $$ Balsillie spent on the agency I was with to 1. monitor what was being said and by whom, 2. create messaging to either counter or support what was being said, 3. having a network of 'go-to' people (researchers, speech writers, etc) to handle whatever came along, and 4. having a dedicated spokesperson (who was from the agency btw) ready to go at the drop of a hat. Ka-freaking-ching!!

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        #18
        Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

        Originally posted by boydo View Post
        Who's to say it has anything to do with the Oilers and not him just wanting more property to lease out and make a profit on? I haven't read the article...but it seems like the guy's got his hands in pretty much everything...is real estate speculation not a possibility?

        Much like the AEG Entertainment Group... perhaps he wants to be just like them..

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          #19
          Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

          Originally posted by Esks4ever View Post
          Much like the AEG Entertainment Group... perhaps he wants to be just like them..
          Another multi-billion revenue stream beyond the drug stores...Perhaps Katz wants a new challenge...and Nanookster can put the tinfoil back beside the BBQ.

          From Wiki (your mileage may vary):
          The Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) is a sporting and music entertainment presenter and a subsidiary of The Anschutz Corporation. It is the world's largest owner of sports teams and sports events, the owner of the world’s most profitable sports and entertainment venues, and under AEG Live the world's second largest presenter of live music and entertainment events after Live Nation. It owns and operates the Staples Center and the Home Depot Center, and manages the XL Center, the Rose Garden, and Rentschler Field. In England, it owns the Manchester Evening News Arena[1], and currently operates the The O2 which includes a 20,000 capacity arena. In Turkey, AEG will operate Turk Telekom Arena which includes a 52,695 capacity arena.

          The company owns the Los Angeles Galaxy, Houston Dynamo (50%), Los Angeles Kings, Ontario Reign, Manchester Monarchs, Eisbären Berlin, Hamburg Freezers, 49% of Hammarby IF Fotboll, as well as interests in the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Sparks, Hartford Colonials and Reading Royals. The company also purchased the Champions on Ice figure skating tour in 2006, and own 12 % of Djurgårdens IF Hockey.
          Last edited by Steve Vale; 06-29-2010, 10:19 AM.
          There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

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            #20
            Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

            Originally posted by Steve Vale View Post
            Another multi-billion revenue stream beyond the drug stores...Perhaps Katz wants a new challenge...and Nanookster can put the tinfoil back beside the BBQ.
            I think there is very good reason to be concerned with this. All the talk in Hamilton is NHL, he ran a survey there asking people if they wanted an NHL team. All the discussions in Hamilton council are in regards to an NHL team.

            I don't think an NHL owner can have his hands in the pockets of two NHL teams. He can't charge rent and own a team at the same time.
            Placing the Alberta Flag on the Calgary Flames uniform is akin to putting lipstick on a Pig
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              #21
              Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

              Originally posted by Nanookster View Post
              I think there is very good reason to be concerned with this. All the talk in Hamilton is NHL, he ran a survey there asking people if they wanted an NHL team. All the discussions in Hamilton council are in regards to an NHL team.

              I don't think an NHL owner can have his hands in the pockets of two NHL teams. He can't charge rent and own a team at the same time.
              Looks like AEG already does this, if they own the staples center (Kings) and run the XL center (Wild)
              "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

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                #22
                Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                Originally posted by budha View Post
                Looks like AEG already does this, if they own the staples center (Kings) and run the XL center (Wild)
                Well that certainly clarifies that issue.
                Placing the Alberta Flag on the Calgary Flames uniform is akin to putting lipstick on a Pig
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                  #23
                  Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                  Originally posted by Nanookster View Post
                  He doesn't need the money.
                  Billionaires don't do deals because they need the money. Making money is what they do. That's what turned them from millionaires to billionaires.

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                    #24
                    Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                    Sounds to me like he's trying to set up something of a venue/property management network, like MLSE and the aforementioned AEG. Those groups do pretty well for themselves, and I imagine if you get big enough it can be very lucrative. I don't think there is any need for Edmonton to be concerned.
                    Look. We can go round and round about this all the live long day. Let's keep it simple. I embody amazement. Can you dig on that? Good. Then meet me on the corner of rock and roll, and bring a flask of something that burns.

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                      #25
                      Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                      The NHL (Bettman) has made it very clear that they don't want another team in Southern Ontario.

                      Katz has a better chance of getting a fully taxpayer funded billion dollar arena in Edmonton than an NHL team in Hamilton.

                      Katz isn't interested in moving the Oilers.

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                        #26
                        Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                        Here is another story on this
                        http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326064

                        This one says that it is the Edmonton Oilers doing the deal not Katz.

                        Edmonton Oilers president Patrick LaForge and other members of franchise owner Daryl Katz's business team were meeting with Hamilton city councillors today to negotiate a deal to take over operations of Copps Coliseum and the proposed 2015 Pan Am Games sports stadium.

                        Katz has said he is not interested in moving the team out of Edmonton, but his plans for a new $400-million downtown rink for the team have stalled.
                        "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

                        "The only thing I ever feared was failure" - Dan Kepley

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                          #27
                          Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                          Originally posted by Muley69 View Post
                          Given that people want to move a team to Hamilton, it's extremely smart business sense to have the lease on the building where said team would likely play.

                          Some people REALLY read too much into this stuff.
                          That is it right there. And it's a shrewed move on Katz' part.
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                            #28
                            Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                            "Edmonton Oilers president Patrick LaForge and other members of franchise owner Daryl Katz's business team were meeting with Hamilton city councillors today to negotiate a deal to take over operations of Copps Coliseum and the proposed 2015 Pan Am Games sports stadium."

                            It's even worse than we thought... first he's going to move the Oilers to Hamilton... then he's going to turn them into a football team!!!
                            Look. We can go round and round about this all the live long day. Let's keep it simple. I embody amazement. Can you dig on that? Good. Then meet me on the corner of rock and roll, and bring a flask of something that burns.

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                              #29
                              Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                              Originally posted by Inquiring Mind View Post
                              "Edmonton Oilers president Patrick LaForge and other members of franchise owner Daryl Katz's business team were meeting with Hamilton city councillors today to negotiate a deal to take over operations of Copps Coliseum and the proposed 2015 Pan Am Games sports stadium."

                              It's even worse than we thought... first he's going to move the Oilers to Hamilton... then he's going to turn them into a football team!!!


                              And they will still be better then the Argos
                              Last edited by budha; 06-29-2010, 01:55 PM.
                              "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

                              "The only thing I ever feared was failure" - Dan Kepley

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                                #30
                                Re: Katz to move the Oilers?

                                Originally posted by Inquiring Mind View Post
                                "Edmonton Oilers president Patrick LaForge and other members of franchise owner Daryl Katz's business team were meeting with Hamilton city councillors today to negotiate a deal to take over operations of Copps Coliseum and the proposed 2015 Pan Am Games sports stadium."

                                It's even worse than we thought... first he's going to move the Oilers to Hamilton... then he's going to turn them into a football team!!!
                                They'd still beat the Argos...

                                edit: See that Budha got in the same comment just before me...great minds and all that...
                                There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

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