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    Brind'Amour Cheating

    McKenzie: Issues in the net and faceoff circle

    TSN.ca Staff
    6/6/2006

    It is a question that could be asked back at the start of the season for the Edmonton Oilers.

    And it's also a question that can be asked going into Game 2 of the Stanley Cup Final.

    Will it be Ty Conklin, or Jussi Markkanen in net?

    Now anyone associated with the Oilers will tell you that they have two very accomplished and proven goaltenders.

    Well, there's nothing more debilitating in this game than a team not having confidence in its own goaltender. And over the course of the regular season, the Edmonton Oilers were plagued by inconsistent goaltending from Conklin and Markkanen. The skaters in turn lost their confidence in them.

    Now the team isn't going to go stand up on the mountain and point that out as the case. But by the same token, these two netminders did not provide the saves that the team needed to stay in games and win.

    Conklin and Markkanen were not awful goaltenders this season. But when the game was on the line, they didn't make a play. And that was certainly the case on Monday night with Ty Conklin.

    That being said, there's got to be a little hesitation and doubt for the Oilers. They'll try their best to overcome these feelings, but I can't help but feel that their psyches are a bit damaged going into Game 2.

    There are those who believe that Conklin won't be able to get over the loss in Game 1, but I'm not so sure.

    While Jussi Markkanen was good for the Oilers early in the season, he was brutal in the second half. By contrast, Conklin wasn;t that great either but did much better in Edmonton's second half. With that in mind, I'm left to wonder if the Oilers will go with Conklin because he's a bit more mentally tough.

    Where the Hurricanes are concerned, a big contributor to their victory on Monday wasn't just Conklin's performance but what they did at the faceoff circle. Carolina won 45 of 73 faceoffs in Game 1, due in large part to Rod Brind'Amour's work on the draw.

    The Oilers, in turn, have labelled Brind'Amour - the league's top faceoff man this season - a 'cheater' on faceoffs.

    Oilers centre Shawn Horcoff wasn't shy about saying that at all. Brind'Amour fared better than 80 percent on the draw, compared to about 30 percent for Horcoff. The Oilers argue this was made worse by the fact that Brind'Amour's a veteran who gets benefits from the linesmen.

    Horcoff, who had a running battle all night with the linesmen and referees, said that Brind'Amour did get tossed out of the circle on a few occasions. But it was only because they complained so much that the referees started making the calls instead of the linesmen.

    Horcoff had a real nasty exchange with one of the linesmen in Game 1, and some video will be put together for the NHL and its officials on what they believe to be Brind'Amour's 'cheating.'

    The Oilers' argument will be that he does not line up straight at the circle and comes in on an angle. They'll also point out that he benefits from putting his stick down and lifting it up again.

    For TSN.ca, I'm Bob McKenzie.
    "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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    I'm inclined to agree - I didn't get to see the game, but our centres shouldn't be dropping 4 of every 5 faceoffs to him. They've proven themselves to be a lot better than that - and Brind'Amour isn't THAT good. If he was winning 60% (like his playoff avg), that's one thing - but 80% is flat out domination. The Oil have 3 guys over 50% on FO's this playoffs (Peca, Stoll, Horcoff) - the 'Canes only have 2 (Brind'Amour and Kevyn Adams, who isn't one of their top 3 in terms of FO's taken).

    I think there's probably something going on there.
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      #3
      Re: Brind'Amour Cheating

      How is he cheating ?

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        #4
        Re: Brind'Amour Cheating

        Originally posted by Esks4ever
        How is he cheating ?
        Did you read the article?
        "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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          #5
          Re: Brind'Amour Cheating

          Originally posted by Angelus
          Did you read the article?


          all but the last line lol... and of course they explain it there

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            #6
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            sorry, but is there anything that opposing teams have done that the Oilers haven't complained about?

            While I've gained an immense respect for they way they've played through these playoffs, I have to say that the constant complaining (first non-stop about other teams crashing the net - while they were doing the same, and now this).....well, it's starting to lessen the respect I had....
            Before you insult a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you'll be a mile away, and have his shoes.

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              #7
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              Fish you have to admit that teams have been whining about the Oilers non-stop as well though. It's all head games... psychological stuff... even though I hate it. It goes both ways, and the Oilers are just trying to gain an advantage. IMO, ofcourse.

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                #8
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                Originally posted by Edmonton Fan
                Fish you have to admit that teams have been whining about the Oilers non-stop as well though. It's all head games... psychological stuff... even though I hate it. It goes both ways, and the Oilers are just trying to gain an advantage. IMO, ofcourse.
                The wings were guilty of complaining about it in the first series.....no doubt.

                They answered by going hard after Roloson....to which the Oilers started to complain about.....

                I haven't heard anything else from anyone.....they seem to make their adjustments on the ice....
                Before you insult a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you'll be a mile away, and have his shoes.

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                  #9
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                  Originally posted by Fish
                  The wings were guilty of complaining about it in the first series.....no doubt.

                  They answered by going hard after Roloson....to which the Oilers started to complain about.....

                  I haven't heard anything else from anyone.....they seem to make their adjustments on the ice....
                  Yeah, but you live in Edmonton, probably watch local news, spend time on local fan forums...it's not surprising that it seems one-sided.

                  If you went and spent some time in the other cities, your perspective may be different.
                  "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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                    #10
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                    Originally posted by Angelus
                    Yeah, but you live in Edmonton, probably watch local news, spend time on local fan forums...it's not surprising that it seems one-sided.

                    If you went and spent some time in the other cities, your perspective may be different.
                    You may be right, but is that fans complaining or the team itself complaining?
                    Before you insult a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you'll be a mile away, and have his shoes.

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                      #11
                      Re: Brind'Amour Cheating

                      Originally posted by Fish
                      You may be right, but is that fans complaining or the team itself complaining?
                      You would still see the players complaining on local news and locally biased CBC.
                      "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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                        #12
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                        Originally posted by Angelus
                        Yeah, but you live in Edmonton, probably watch local news, spend time on local fan forums...it's not surprising that it seems one-sided.

                        If you went and spent some time in the other cities, your perspective may be different.
                        Exactly.

                        And that is why there is a significant population in any city that dislikes the local team. When all you hear is about the Oilers, it's bound to turn some people off.
                        These pretzels are making me thirsty.

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                          #13
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                          Originally posted by Fish
                          The wings were guilty of complaining about it in the first series.....no doubt.

                          They answered by going hard after Roloson....to which the Oilers started to complain about.....

                          I haven't heard anything else from anyone.....they seem to make their adjustments on the ice....
                          Wilson whined about everything in the second series with San Jose. Saying Roli was manipulating the refs, giving us an unfair advantage... ect.

                          In Anaheim, Carlyle was complaining about Roloson after almost every game. Saying his vetearn moves were slowing down the game, he was getting into the refs heads.... ect.

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                            #14
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                            Originally posted by Angelus
                            You would still see the players complaining on local news and locally biased CBC.
                            In reference to the opposition.....not very much
                            Before you insult a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you insult him, you'll be a mile away, and have his shoes.

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                              #15
                              Re: Brind'Amour Cheating

                              Originally posted by Fish
                              In reference to the opposition.....not very much
                              Well yeah...you see the local players bitching...

                              Like EF said, you probably saw little of Wilson's complaining. Man, that guy never shut up.
                              "No one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you." - Bo Burnham

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