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    #1

    To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

    ... finally we have a non-partisan, scientific study that shows that is NOT a good strategy. Hopefully now we can put that sort of belly-aching aside until the off-season...

    http://www.livescience.com/culture/0...g-changes.html

    Turf Toe:
    - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
    - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
    - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."
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    #2
    Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

    ...which is in about six days


    (OK, OK, three weeks)
    Out of my mind; back in five minutes.

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      #3
      Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

      I'm a believer! Eastern Division and Grey Cup Champs!!!!
      Last edited by quake; 11-03-2008, 09:49 PM.
      When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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        #4
        Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

        Originally posted by quake View Post
        I'm a believer! Eastern Division and Grey Champs!!!!
        Who? The Als?

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          #5
          Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

          Originally posted by Deathsdoorstep View Post
          Who? The Als?
          oh be quiet
          When you don't know that you don't know, it's a lot different than when you do know that you don't know.

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            #6
            Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

            Aren't the New Jersey Devils the poster boy for the mid to late season coach firing?

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              #7
              Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

              The NFL is hardly an adequate comparison. If 3/4 of the teams in the league made the playoffs, that might tell you something. As they don't, it's apples to oranges.

              I await your "final word" on the topic.
              I officially retract my vote for DDS as Prime Minister. He's clearly incompetent.

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                #8
                Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

                Originally posted by Sgt. Nuke View Post
                The NFL is hardly an adequate comparison. If 3/4 of the teams in the league made the playoffs, that might tell you something. As they don't, it's apples to oranges.

                I await your "final word" on the topic.
                Shooting the messenger is never cool (ESPECIALLY when the emoticon at the end indicated that the post was made lightheartedly). Unless you're a Spartan King. And you... You are certainly no Spartan King!


                edit-- also interesting that while the researchers used the Top Italian Soccer League for the basis of their study, and that the article writer refers to the NHL, MLB and NFL you chose to point out that a comparison the NFL wasn't adequate. I'd have sooner bought that the comparison to the actual study wasn't pertinent...
                Last edited by TurfToe; 11-04-2008, 09:09 AM.
                Turf Toe:
                - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
                - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
                - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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                  #9
                  Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

                  Two Words.

                  Chicago Blackhawks.

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                    #10
                    Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

                    Originally posted by Sgt. Nuke
                    I await your "final word" on the topic.
                    Originally posted by TurfToe View Post
                    Shooting the messenger is never cool (ESPECIALLY when the emoticon at the end indicated that the post was made lightheartedly). Unless you're a Spartan King. And you... You are certainly no Spartan King!


                    edit-- also interesting that while the researchers used the Top Italian Soccer League for the basis of their study, and that the article writer refers to the NHL, MLB and NFL you chose to point out that a comparison the NFL wasn't adequate. I'd have sooner bought that the comparison to the actual study wasn't pertinent...
                    As the NFL, NHL, and MLB all have a much smaller % of their teams in post-season then the CFL it's interesting that you feel my comment to be so incorrect. But...wow. I didn't have to wait long at all!
                    Last edited by Sgt. Nuke; 11-04-2008, 09:39 PM.
                    I officially retract my vote for DDS as Prime Minister. He's clearly incompetent.

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                      #11
                      Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

                      Originally posted by Sgt. Nuke View Post
                      As the NFL, NHL, and MLB all have a much smaller % of their teams in post-season then the CFL it's interesting that you feel my comment to be so incorrect. But...wow. I didn't have to wait long at all!
                      Glad to not keep you waiting! I aim to please and I rarely don't.
                      Yet I'm still waiting for you to make a relevant comparison - i.e. to the league that actually WAS in the study!

                      Still... I'm not sure why you are waiting for the messenger to to give 'final word' ... unless, of course, you have finally decided to follow me, rather than trying to fight me!

                      (P.S. just so your feelings don't get hurt and you start flingin' neg points around... a) this was never about you until you made it so, b) I posted a curiousity complete with emoti to indicate that my comments were in fun, c) I never once said that I even believed in the study myself. Can I at least get a Go Esks Go? )

                      edit-- Alright, kidding aside, you wanted the final word? I left the door open for anyone to give it... but I'll take it if nobody else can figure it out...
                      - It's more than a bit boggling that a study based on an Italian Soccer League can be seen as truly representative of sports. In particular, there is likely little in common between a league such as that and any in North America. So while the results of the study are compelling, a similar examination would have to be done on other leagues to see if the results are an actual truism in sports or not.
                      (not nearly as much fun that way. )
                      Last edited by TurfToe; 11-05-2008, 05:55 AM.
                      Turf Toe:
                      - "...turf toe is a common malady that is more of a nuisance than a serious injury."
                      - "Turf toe can often progress into a chronic problem..."
                      - "A mild instance of turf toe (grade 1) can be merely aggravating while a serious case (grade 3) can be debilitating."

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                        #12
                        Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

                        The study misses the point behind replacing a coach mid season. In some cases it is the proverbial panic move when a team with lofty goals comes out of the shoot and does poorly, a coaching change is thought to maybe help the team win this year.

                        In fact a coaching change mid season can occur for other reasons.

                        - a quality coach becomes available and a team needs to jump on him to hire.

                        - A team is not sure if the guy the put in as interim coach can do the job and thus want to evaluate him (Bellefuille in Hamilton)

                        - The team comes to a conclusion that the guy in charge is not leading them in the right direction. Why stay with a guy you do not want next year, instead bring in a new guy now and see how things go.

                        In most cases teams that fire coaches mid season are sucking badly and will continue to suck badly at least bringing in a new coach lets you know whether you do indeed have a lousy team or if the team is being held back by the coach (See the Argos here)

                        In the Hamilton case, they have their new coach for next year, he has had a good 1/2 year to coach the team and evaluate people under his won system. He has already imprinted on the team that he is the boss. He can go into camp ahead of the game next year as opposed to just getting the job in the off season after being an assistant.

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                          #13
                          Re: To those who want to fire a coach in mid-season...

                          I think it goes either way about half of the time. Sometimes it works and other times it blows up in your face. It clearly worked for the esks when they brought Parker in as HC midway through the year.
                          A lot of people go through life doing things badly. Racing is important to men who do it well. When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting." Michael Delaney AKA- Steve McQueen

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