KP8 on the 9-game?

[earl2]

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All the best with the rehab KP8.
We're pulling for you to return to help out this team.

Not just because we want the Eskimos to do well (and we know you can help with that), but because it's always great to see a good person overcome adversity and succeed.

[eskfan152]

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Thanks for the direct update Kamau! I have always felt that an Achilles injury would have to be one of the most painful imaginable and my hat is off to you for playing through it for as long as you have! Best of luck in your rehab and I can't wait to watch you make plenty more gr8grabs on the Eskimos road to the grey cup later on this year!

[BUCK]

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If it's the KP from 2008, he'll be sorely missed. But if it's him from last season, not so much. Talbot should be able to pick up the slack if only they'd throw to him!!
Does the 9-games start from now or from when he went on the 1-game IR?

The bolded item above is one big if !!!

I believe that the KP8 injury could cause Andrew Nowacki to double his stats...

[writfiler]

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Here's a question for the Esks medical staff: Why the **** wouldn't you do a MRI either last season or in the off-season to determine the extent of this injury? If you had, it would have been detected much earlier and the proper treatment would have been done so that he was 100% at TC.

[sns2]

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Is this not what a GM is supposed to do? Manage the Cap. KP is still getting paid full salary so financially he's not hurting. So what's your problem?

I don't recall saying I had a problem. So don't put words in my mouth. My point is that I don't trust a thing that comes out of Maciocia's mouth. Nothing. Not a single word. And as a result, it wouldn't surprise me a bit for Maciocia to put KP on the nine game list twice in succession, even if he's healthy.

Obviously, I'm happy that a quality player like KP is going to get the treatment he ultimately needs to get healthy. However, even having read his post, it blows me away that a professional sports team with multiple trainers/therapists/doctors on staff, failed to buck up $500 to get KP an MRI for an injury that wasn't responding to treatment for a whole season. And as long as I'm being really honest, as a fan who wants to see the team succeed, it bugs me a bit that a player of KP's importance wouldn't put his foot down and demand an MRI or take himself out of the lineup until he got one. Let me explain. If you've seen this man up close, without pads on, you will have seen that he is an incredible physical specimen. He is in such incredible shape that he reminds me of a world-class 100M sprinter. He looks like the cartoon character Ironman he's so built. I say that because my guess is that an athlete like him knows his body better than anyone, and he must have known something was really wrong. Why not refuse to play if you are only running on one leg as he has said? Was there overt pressure to be on the field? There may have been. Was it the Most Outstanding Canadian in our league showing the grit and determination that made him overcome his unflattering nickname to become the great player he is, refusing to take himself out of the lineup? Undoubtedly this was part of it too. But at what point does a player need to take himself out so as to not hurt his team?

I have the greatest respect for KP. He's showed himself to be a great receiver when at the top of his game physically and mentally. Highlight reels don't lie. I also believe that he's an equally quality person. However, a player can hurt his team big-time by taking the field when reason says they should let the 2nd guy on the depth chart step into the lineup. If you don't believe this, watch a replay of the last Grey Cup game played at Commonwealth and tell me that John Avery's stubborn decision to play at way less than 100% with his bad hamstring, played a huge role in that game.

[sns2]

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Here's a question for the Esks medical staff: Why the **** wouldn't you do a MRI either last season or in the off-season to determine the extent of this injury? If you had, it would have been detected much earlier and the proper treatment would have been done so that he was 100% at TC.

I'm not trying to be redundant. I was typing the same thoughts at the same time you were. Saw your post after mine went up.

[writfiler]

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I don't recall saying I had a problem. So don't put words in my mouth. My point is that I don't trust a thing that comes out of Maciocia's mouth. Nothing. Not a single word. And as a result, it wouldn't surprise me a bit for Maciocia to put KP on the nine game list twice in succession, even if he's healthy.

Obviously, I'm happy that a quality player like KP is going to get the treatment he ultimately needs to get healthy. However, even having read his post, it blows me away that a professional sports team with multiple trainers/therapists/doctors on staff, failed to buck up $500 bucks to get KP an MRI for an injury that wasn't responding to treatment for a whole season. And as long as I'm being really honest, as a fan who wants to see the team succeed, it bugs me a bit that a player of KP's importance wouldn't put his foot down and demand an MRI. Let me explain. If you've seen this man up close, without pads on, you will have seen that he is an incredible physical specimen. He is in such incredible shape that he reminds me of a world-class 100M sprinter. He looks like the cartoon character Ironman he's so built. I say that because my guess is that an athlete like him knows his body better than anyone, and he must have known something was really wrong. Why not refuse to play if you are only running on one leg as he has said? Was there overt pressure to be on the field? There may have been. Was it the Most Outstanding Canadian in our league showing the grit and determination that made him overcome his unflattering nickname to become the great player he is, refusing to take himself out of the lineup? Undoubtedly this was part of it too. But at what point does a player need to take himself out so as to not hurt his team?

I have the greatest respect for KP. He's showed himself to be a great receiver when at the top of his game physically and mentally. Highlight reels don't lie. I also believe that he's an equally quality person. However, a player can hurt his team big-time by taking the field when reason says they should let the 2nd guy on the depth chart step into the lineup. If you don't believe this, watch a replay of the last Grey Cup game and tell me that John Avery's decision to play with his bad hamstring played a huge role in that game.

For the average Joe, it takes several weeks to get a MRI done through normal channels unless you're prepared to pay big bucks to get it done privately. However, for athletes they can usually get one done within hours of being injured, so that the proper diagnosis can be made and surgery or rehab can begin asap.

It's hard to believe that that wasn't done in KP's case last season....

[sns2]

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For the average Joe, it takes several weeks to get a MRI done through normal channels unless you're prepared to pay big bucks to get it done privately. However, for athletes they can usually get one done within hours of being injured, so that the proper diagnosis can be made and surgery or rehab can begin asap.

It's hard to believe that that wasn't done in KP's case last season....

I just had one done on my back. Took me less than a month after I saw my doctor. I enquired about the cost a few years back for a private one and it could be done for approximately $500 with a 1 day wait. Boggles the mind that this was not done. Anyone who watched him knew that he was not the same guy who tore up the league a year earlier. WHY WAS THIS NOT DONE???

[gizmo fan 2]

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Am disappointed...but would rather have KP back at 100% for the stretch run than risk this any more. Get well soon, hope the rehab goes well.

I wonder if this means Brad Smith will be able to dress...I thought he quietly had a very good camp (just like Barnes).

[Esk Reporter]

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Get healthy as quickly as you can...!!

[greenandbold]

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Good luck, KP. Painful injury. Know someone who ripped his playing footie. Awful. Too bad they didn't find it earlier.

[EsksTMac]

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Here's a question for the Esks medical staff: Why the **** wouldn't you do a MRI either last season or in the off-season to determine the extent of this injury? If you had, it would have been detected much earlier and the proper treatment would have been done so that he was 100% at TC.

The exact same thought process I had while reading Kamau's post. A lot of players in other leagues go through an MRI just as a checkup before the off-season starts so they can try to nip anything in the but as to what is ailing them. Don't understand why it would take a year and a half to figure out maybe an MRI would be a good method of choice.

Get well, KP.

[TurfToe]

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To end the speculation, for me it's really just nice to finally have confirmation on something that has been plaguing me since training camp 2009. Playing the entire season on that achilles tear was the hardest thing I've had to do as a player, and that includes playing with a gambit of breaks, pulls and strains etc, simply because the position I play requires so much stress on that tendon. To have to premeditate each step was unbelievably exhausting and I don't wish it on anyone. If I would have known that it was a tear, I wouldn't have played on it obviously, and I understand why you never hear of people playing through that particular injury. But in doing so for that long, and then through the offseason regiment that I put myself through to rebound from that year, all without knowing the true nature of the injury, it inevitably caused more damage in another partial tear during this training camp. 6-8 hours of outside treatments all over the city just to get it to the point where I could hobble around on the field in the first two games, and it finally became enough for me. After the Montreal game, I felt that it was selfish of me to be out there on one leg when we had capable players who could fill in. On one leg, I'm just not dynamic enough to help the cause consistently.

That being said, I'm glad to have finally had an MRI and to know definitively what this thing is that has kept me from walking and running normally for the past year. I'm also very grateful that I was able to catch it before it became a bigger problem, or a rupture...and early enough in this season that I can come back for the last 6 games of the season and the playoff/grey cup run.

As for the rest of the things you guys are speculating about, Some I don't feel it necessary to touch. Andrew, Andre, and Brad will do a great job in their respective roles as they are all quality players in their own right.
And I will continue to do what I have always done for this team, try to be a voice to those needing it, and a guide to those seeking. And when I am healthy again in 10 weeks, I expect as you can the same player you saw in 2007 and 2008 at the very least.

If anything my confidence is ballooning now knowing what exactly I was playing through last year. For me to get almost 800 yds on one leg, I have to grin at the prospects of getting back onto 2 and really helping this team again.

Stand behind this team, and they will find their stride.

Kp8

All the best for a full recovery KP!
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That, ladies and gentlemen, is why KP is such a valuable player to the Esks' organization. Commitment to the job on all levels, and going above and beyond the call to interact directly with the fans.

[boydo]

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There's also the possibility that KP's pain threshold is just really really high...and it really didn't hurt that much to make him think that was the problem. Some players "play through the pain" more than others. Hell, look at Kep...for a while he was dislocating his shouler on every play and popping it back in on the way to the huddle...did it affect his play? If it did...nobody noticed. It is true that a guy that's in as good of shape as Kamau is...should have known something more serious was wrong...I've never had that kind of injury but know that some injuries feel like something else...you take it easy for a week or so and if feels fine and then you play, it feels a little off, but you attribute that to taking it easy for a while and then start training hard again. With football, you feel like you've been in a car accident all the time so something is always sore...it's inevitible that you're going to feel like crap for a few days and you can attribute pain to the hit you took or the diving catch you made or the block you made etc.

[TheEskieChick]

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Thanks for the update KP8! Wishing you the speediest of recoveries!!