Feeling on the Vaughn trade...

[gizmo fan 2]

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TV is only one year older than loftus, so its not like we got any younger with the trade

Nope, TV is three-and-a-half years older.

TV is 33 (born Dec 25, 1971). Loftus is 29 (born June 3, 1975).

[Diesel]

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this isnt judging a book by its cover.... loftus has had 6 years to impress, and he simply hasnt..... and all TV did during those 6 years was put up 6 consecutive 1000 yard seasons.....

just sit back and think about this .....

we traded a player who was one of the best 5 receivers in the entire league over the past 4-6 years for a guy whom most people have never even heard of..... oh and for some unexplicable reason, we threw in a draft pick

if that doesnt make you shudder, then i dont know what it would take.... we are a MUCH worst off team today than we were last week.... the only way this trade can be explained is as a salary dump, because TV is only one year older than loftus, so its not like we got any younger with the trade, and in fact you could argue that we actually got older as we have one less draft pick now...... its terrible in every conceivable way you look at it, the people in edmonton should be up in arms, and calling the front office to voice their opinion

im shocked and disgusted right now to tell you the truth

We have the fastest player/receiver in the league in Swerve, we have the complete package in Tucker, we have a clutch TD maker in Mookie, we'll have the second fastest guy back soon in Ralph, another batch of young solid recievers chomping at the bit to play, I don't think we'll be hurting.

[jadeddog]

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Nope, TV is three-and-a-half years older.

TV is 33 (born Dec 25, 1971). Loftus is 29 (born June 3, 1975).

guess im wrong there....i thought TV was 31 and loftus was 30, my bad

as far as us "being ok", yeah i couldnt agree more.... i think maas will still flirt with 5000 yards if he stays healthy and our Oline doesnt implode (although IMO it will).... and if there was an area of the team we could afford to lose somebody at, it was receiver

thats not my argument though.... my argument is on the value of the trade..... i dont care if im bill gates, im not gonna pay $50,000 for a $500 car

[sectionw]

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Well, then you guy's seem to know something I don't. Loftus started one of twelve games he appeared in last year and only had 8 tackles.

Doesn't sound so stellar to me...

Injury and being on the bad side of the Don, the Doin wanted a speedster at safety so he put Miles in (smaller but faster) Loftus is good, Als have been trying to trade him since camp last year. But IMO he is talented, heck he player refular in 2002 and we won the cup.

[MEEZY]

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Well, there are already a lot of posts on this topic, but I figured I'd add my opinion anyways

At first glance, the trade definitely sucks. I agree wholeheartedly with anyone who balked at it immediately. We lose arguably our most consistent receiver and a great leader for something of much less value in return. Further to that, we also give up a part of our future in the draft pick component of the trade.

However, the more I think about it, I tend to believe that this trade could really not be avoided. Vaughn may have either been on his way out under his own steam (as I intimated in another thread) or the management were already planning on releasing him. I tend to believe the latter possibility is more feasible, especially due to financial concerns. Apparently, according to a previous thread on this site, Vaughn had been asked to take a pay cut and refused, so management decided that, for whatever reason, they could not make room for him on the payroll. I'm not going to debate on whether or not they should have accomodated Vaughn's salary, as that is a topic that deserves consideration on its own.

If other CFL teams were aware of the fact that Vaughn was being shopped around, his market value would decrease substantially, especially since the Esks were going to trade/release him under any circumstances. I'm not sure if this was the case, but if it was, I'm not surprised that we didn't get our fair share in the deal, and in fact, it probably could have been worse.

My final thought is while this trade is obviously not beneficial in the immediate future, as some of you mentioned, freeing Vaughn's salary up from the payroll will allow us to make other potential additions. Also, Vaughn probably only had a few good years left, so we received more by trading him now than we would have by moving him later on.

Don't get me wrong; I don't like the trade at all. I'm just trying to rationalize it from management's point of view, and to glean whatever positive points I can from it.

[lloyd]

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Well, there are already a lot of posts on this topic, but I figured I'd add my opinion anyways

At first glance, the trade definitely sucks. I agree wholeheartedly with anyone who balked at it immediately. We lose arguably our most consistent receiver and a great leader for something of much less value in return. Further to that, we also give up a part of our future in the draft pick component of the trade.

However, the more I think about it, I tend to believe that this trade could really not be avoided. Vaughn may have either been on his way out under his own steam (as I intimated in another thread) or the management were already planning on releasing him. I tend to believe the latter possibility is more feasible, especially due to financial concerns. Apparently, according to a previous thread on this site, Vaughn had been asked to take a pay cut and refused, so management decided that, for whatever reason, they could not make room for him on the payroll. I'm not going to debate on whether or not they should have accomodated Vaughn's salary, as that is a topic that deserves consideration on its own.

If other CFL teams were aware of the fact that Vaughn was being shopped around, his market value would decrease substantially, especially since the Esks were going to trade/release him under any circumstances. I'm not sure if this was the case, but if it was, I'm not surprised that we didn't get our fair share in the deal, and in fact, it probably could have been worse.

My final thought is while this trade is obviously not beneficial in the immediate future, as some of you mentioned, freeing Vaughn's salary up from the payroll will allow us to make other potential additions. Also, Vaughn probably only had a few good years left, so we received more by trading him now than we would have by moving him later on.

Don't get me wrong; I don't like the trade at all. I'm just trying to rationalize it from management's point of view, and to glean whatever positive points I can from it.

great points. The trade had to be done sooner or later.

[gizmo fan 2]

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I'm just trying to rationalize it from management's point of view, and to glean whatever positive points I can from it.

Attaway, optimist!

Good points.

[Nanookster]

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Don't like it but I understand it.

I don't understand it at all. He was a marquess player. Not all great players need to be traded in their last few years. He would have been an asset to the Eskimos right to the end.

The only thing I understand is our coach is an idiot and I am glad he was not here in the Gizmo days or he would have disgraced him as well.

[Nanookster]

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I understand it, but I don't like it, and I also think we didn't get as much value in return. Loftus is good, but he'll be a backup here, and we give up TV AND a pick? I think we got the short end of the stick.

No kidding. We got the short end of the stick. A star for a safety.

But I don't understand it.

[Nanookster]

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Where does that leave Grant though? Unless you're saying we replace Mobes with Wiltshire, and that's NOT happening.

Oh, why not? Mobes is getting up in the years too? With the way our coach is thinking we should get rid of all the old guys. Heck, we should get rid of all our Americans and go with a Canadian only team (tongue in cheek).

[Nanookster]

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Of course as a fan it's disappointing but no worse than the days when Kelly, Marshall, Scott, Kepley, Pless, Moon, and all the other greats played their last game as an Eskimo. There will always be days like this, that's how this game works. In time there will be another great player who will make a name for himself.

At least we knew there last game was their last.

[Nanookster]

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Great post! I also agree 100%!

Add my name to the list of EXTREMELY dissapointed. I can't believe this actually happened. I'm really pissed off. People were furious when T. Ray was released? Well, to me, this is 100% worse - I loved Ray, but Vaughn has done 100% more for this team over the years than a bunch of T. Ray's put together. I'm surprised there isn't more outrage. His salary, even if it was around $150 is not too steep for the Esks at all - I don't believe that for a second. The team has loads of money and if they can fork out $200 for a DB like Sanchez who hasn't proven anything for this team, then surely they can live with Vaughn's salary.

I expected Vaugn to retire an Eskimo, he still has two or three or more excellent years left in him and I'm just blown away that they got rid of him. And the talk about injury is absurd, he's had no more injuries than anyone else - in fact he plays when he's injured and still outperforms half of the other guys on the offense. He is so reliable, so valuable...I'm really upset about this. We have other great receivers in guys like Ed, but Terry Vaughn was one of the true players who made up the heart and soul of the team. It's just frustrating for me. I just think of last year, going to his restaurant, admiring him and being thankful for having him on our team and - poof - it's all over. We certainly lost a MAJOR part of this team, I don't care what anyone says. No one should underestimate what he brought to the team all these years. The only thing is I'm so thankful that he didn't go to a western team, but still...Montreal? It's going to be hard for me to cheer against him now. I'M NOT HAPPY!

[Nanookster]

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Know what the alternative to this trade was? Probably Vaughn being released. The Esks resigned Mobley, Gass, Added Sanchez, Wiltshire, Fleisner, etc. We did lose some guys as well but money was the big issue. I would have liked to get more (or more preferably send him to Ottawa) but the Esks had decided that it was either take a pay cut or it was time to go, Vaughn said no to the pay (which I don't blame him). Also if the Esks are really high on some of these other guys, if we don't use them now we lose em, guys won't stay on the practice roster forever. Vaughns been one of my very fav players on this team since he got here but like with most players (except Gretzky) the sting will subside and I'll worry about who else we have playing in that position. I am just as upset about our draft to tell you the truth as i am Vaughn being gone because I was prepared for Vaughn leaving and Knew by the way Popp was talking that we weren't going to get a deal of equal value.

That wasn't the alternative. 630 Ched interviewed TV and apparently Macocia tried to call off the trade but TV told him the damage was done and to trade him. The Eskimos were willing to keep him after they saw they weren't going to get much in return.

[Diesel]

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At least we knew there last game was their last.

We didn't with Marshall, or Scott, or Kelly and several others.

[Nanookster]

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We didn't with Marshall, or Scott, or Kelly and several others.

I thought we did with Scott and Kelly. At least they retired Eskimos.

Marshall announced at the end of his last game that he wanted a trade East.