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    Could Kavis Reed be trying to turn the tables on Tillman?

    Many have speculated about how Tillman has tried to insulate himself with shields that could be blamed before he gets touched. However, there is no question that the moves he has made have made Maciocia look like a genius in comparison, which is really saying something.

    While many questioned Reed's hire when it first happened, there was a lot more positive to be said about him than negative after his first season. Has his decline this season and some downright bone-headed calls been a result of losing veteran coaches around him? Or has he seen the writing on the wall and decided to take defensive measures to try and protect himself?

    It has appeared that ever since the Ray trade, Reed has appeared to be no more than a Yes Man to Tillman. While this could be seen as defending terrible decisions and thus guilty by association, or even aiding and abetting, perhaps Kavis is setting himself up for turning the tables.

    Take the recent announcement that Kerry Joseph will start on Friday, when everybody and their dead grandmother can tell that Joseph has the best chance of backing us out of the playoff spot that we could have backed in to. It makes no sense whatsoever to start someone who has gone 16 for 43 in their last two games and looks like they should have retired 3 years ago in a do-or-die game where we still have our destiny in our own hands. (This decision looks more like we're putting our density in our own hands).

    Someone questioned whether announcing KJ as the started could be part of a convoluted plan to foil Calgary, but I wonder if it is part of a convoluted plan to rid the organization of the bad decision maker while trying to save his own skin. What if Kavis has been starting KJ against everyone's better judgement in order to say "this is what ET has given us", with the hopes that ET gets fired, but before a new GM fires him, he pleads that his hands were tied by ET, and hopes that will be enough to give him a second chance?

    I know this seems far-fetched, as this would be the opposite of the "Eskimo Way" that Kavis has claimed to be trying to restore to the organization, but it is the only plausible explanation that I can come up with for why anyone would consider letting Kerry Joseph play another down in this league.

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    I believe that Kavis has been forced to make some uncomfortable decisions based on the optics of what is best for the so called "direction" of the football team. I don't believe Kavis has a master plan to save himself here; I believe he is a team guy who does what he needs to do to support the organization based on what he's told from above. But let's not forget that Kavis called Joseph his most valuable player last year. Nobody twisted his arm into making that statement...
    Last edited by Hugoagogo; 10-30-2012, 09:11 AM. Reason: spellin'
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      First I want to say that I think Nichols should start for 2 reasons. 1) because Joseph hasn't done anything in 2 games. 2) most importantly. Nichols needs game reps and the organization needs to see what they have in this guy. Forget aboud winning or losing, this is about long term here. Backing into the playoffs to get smoked by Ray in T.O does nothing for your organization.

      Here's how I see it.
      Kavis wants to win and probably feels he needs to win to save his job. If he starts Joseph, he keeps the pressure of starting off Nichols and he has the ace in the hole of having Nichols on the bench itching to get in there to show what he's got. So when Joseph faulters, he can go to Nichols quickly and everyone will applaud him. Kind of like the last Cup win for the Esks when Ray wasn't playing well and they brought in Maas a few times to save the day.

      If he starts Nichols like everyone wants him to do and Nichols struggles, he's got nothing to fall back on.

      So in one way I can kind of see the advantage I think but this only works if he has an EXTREMELY quick hook on Joseph. So far he hasn't shown a quikc hook and rode Joseph way too long and allowed the game to get out of hand.

      Personally, I would rather see Nichols get the start and see what you got with him. The offense has a bit of swagger when he is in the huddle. Stamps seems to feel better when he is in there. Even when he started the game vs the Stamps and was ok, the offense looked different. It had a different feel like something could happen. It didn't work out that great but there was something about it.
      Blindly accept whatever they do and if it doesn't work out, I guess there's always next year.

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        Great point about the swagger that they have when Nicholls is out there! That much is evident given how they respond to him in the huddle and on the field, and in the players' post-game comments from the dressing room.

        Give him the ball and let him run with it and let things unfold. If he comes through in the crunch, then we know we have a QB going forward.....

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          Originally posted by writfiler View Post
          Great point about the swagger that they have when Nicholls is out there! That much is evident given how they respond to him in the huddle and on the field, and in the players' post-game comments from the dressing room.

          Give him the ball and let him run with it and let things unfold. If he comes through in the crunch, then we know we have a QB going forward.....


          Think he proved a little already, the fact he put this team on his back, the fact he called his own plays on the most crucial drive.. The fact that he made things happen..

          He is the QB I have been waiting to see get his chance here

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            The fact that KJ knows he's on a short leash will tend to make him play with less comfort knowing he'll look to the sidelines each 2 and out to see if MN is warming up.

            I said from the start Kavis is in a tough spot, and it's proven completely right. He signed this deal with the devil and there is no way he comes out unscathed
            I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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              I think secq nailed it.

              I have a feeling that you'll see Joseph run for his life. It's his last go so he'll give it his all.

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                Re: Could Kavis Reed be trying to turn the tables on Tillman?

                If the esks miss, KR has a 50-50 chance of surviving this offseason if ET thinks it can buy him another year by blaming the coaches, if the board falls for it. If the board realizes this mess was entirely created by ET, and by mess I mean on and off the field, then KR still has a 50-50 chance depending on who takes over if the board sacks ET.

                Either way, he's coaching from the edge of a cliff
                I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                  Re: Could Kavis Reed be trying to turn the tables on Tillman?

                  I think Tillman needs to take most of the blame for this year. I'm not giving Reed a free pass because he has made some mistakes along the way but at the start of the year, by trading away Ray for nothing, then going into the start of the season with Jyles as the #1. Tillman gave his head coach, a dull, rusty pocket knife while every other team has a gun. So Reed's chances of success were next to none.
                  Blindly accept whatever they do and if it doesn't work out, I guess there's always next year.

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                    Re: Could Kavis Reed be trying to turn the tables on Tillman?

                    If RR was still here and we missed, then Reed takes the fall. Tillman is safe.

                    This year is all about the Ray deal. Tillman promised the trade would benefit the Eskimos today. He takes the fall if we miss the playoffs.

                    The only possible way he stays is if he plays the injury card. That can be refuted if you look at other teams that have had injuries and continued to win. Our depth is weak and Tillman was in charge of that.

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                      Re: Could Kavis Reed be trying to turn the tables on Tillman?

                      How it gets played behind the scenes remains to be seen. Members of the board are questioning where the accountability lies, is what I'm hearing. Tillspin will try and play his hand to make it look like a coaching/injury issue and less to do with him. He knows there's heat, and even the eastern media is picking up on it.
                      I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                        Re: Could Kavis Reed be trying to turn the tables on Tillman?

                        if ET plays the injuries card, I rreally hope the BoG are not stupid enough to fall for it.

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                          Hopefully enough of them remember the line, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
                          I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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                            #14
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                            Is it a BoG decision or Len Rhodes decision?

                            If it is up to LR, Tillman stays.

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                              Board, ultimately
                              I will not, for a moment longer, support an organization who chooses to cowardly kneel where they once fiercely & proudly stood

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