Eskimos offence......

[cmbuk]

Reading and watching the media post Calgary it was mentioned by a couple of guys think coach jones and Mike Reilly that we do not scout defences and our offence pits itself against our defence every week..

Now I have never heard of this prior to this incident and I have never heard of any team I've coached or know that does this..

This seems very strange to me and as good as our defence are, is that somewhat a reason behind our slow starts as it takes a good 3-4 drives to see what they throw at you in base, the adjustments to trips/empty etc
Seems like we are putting ourselves behind the 8 ball so to speak..

We scout every game and we look to take advantage of the weaknesses as well as package our plays suited to the front and coverages.. Yet the Eskimos do none of that.. Our defence is not like the 8 other teams ... How or what are we taking from it ? Apart from competition against a brilliant d..but that doesn't prepare you for what you will face on gamedays
Anyone else heard of this or coaches out there ( offensively) have you done this!
Could any of our resident stattos is compile our starts through the year.. Scores 1st drive first quarter / half maybe even first downs..

My questions
Who else does this?
Is this a common thing in Canadian ball?
What exactly is our gameplan week in week out ? When we don't rep a script or scout a defence
What does our offensive coaching staff do all week??

[pete]

Re: Eskimos offence......

Something to be said about practicing "best vs best" but ya it does nothing to get you setup for opposing Defenses. Teams I've played on and coached might do #1 O vs #1 D once a week and typically early in the week, then get prepared for the unit you'll be facing the rest of the week.

[ben_the_eskimo]

Re: Eskimos offence......

Reading and watching the media post Calgary it was mentioned by a couple of guys think coach jones and Mike Reilly that we do not scout defences and our offence pits itself against our defence every week..

Now I have never heard of this prior to this incident and I have never heard of any team I've coached or know that does this..

This seems very strange to me and as good as our defence are, is that somewhat a reason behind our slow starts as it takes a good 3-4 drives to see what they throw at you in base, the adjustments to trips/empty etc
Seems like we are putting ourselves behind the 8 ball so to speak..

We scout every game and we look to take advantage of the weaknesses as well as package our plays suited to the front and coverages.. Yet the Eskimos do none of that.. Our defence is not like the 8 other teams ... How or what are we taking from it ? Apart from competition against a brilliant d..but that doesn't prepare you for what you will face on gamedays
Anyone else heard of this or coaches out there ( offensively) have you done this!
Could any of our resident stattos is compile our starts through the year.. Scores 1st drive first quarter / half maybe even first downs..

My questions
Who else does this?
Is this a common thing in Canadian ball?
What exactly is our gameplan week in week out ? When we don't rep a script or scout a defence
What does our offensive coaching staff do all week??

I don't see how you can prepare for a game without doing any of the stuff you mentioned. I have to assume that they are doing that, but in addition they also rep 1 v 1s... I don't know for sure though.

[Lick My Cleats]

Re: Eskimos offence......

The Eskies are on record saying they still scout the other team, still look at game film, still devise a game plan and script the first 15 plays to that plan. They still do a walk through for reads and looks, but what they don't do is a real speed set of run throughs against a scout team. Rather they run the offensive game plan against the CFL's best D to sharpen reaction and timing.

I really don't see a huge difference and any assertion that Coach Jones and his staff are not preparing the Offense appropriately for the games is ludicrous.

[cmbuk]

Re: Eskimos offence......

The Eskies are on record saying they still scout the other team, still look at game film, still devise a game plan and script the first 15 plays to that plan. They still do a walk through for reads and looks, but what they don't do is a real speed set of run throughs against a scout team. Rather they run the offensive game plan against the CFL's best D to sharpen reaction and timing.

I really don't see a huge difference and any assertion that Coach Jones and his staff are not preparing the Offense appropriately for the games is ludicrous.

where on record?

and i never said any of that mate.. i said it might equate to our slow starts on offence....

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Something to be said about practicing "best vs best" but ya it does nothing to get you setup for opposing Defenses. Teams I've played on and coached might do #1 O vs #1 D once a week and typically early in the week, then get prepared for the unit you'll be facing the rest of the week.

absolutely agree coach

[Esks4ever]

Re: Eskimos offence......

The Eskies are on record saying they still scout the other team, still look at game film, still devise a game plan and script the first 15 plays to that plan. They still do a walk through for reads and looks, but what they don't do is a real speed set of run throughs against a scout team. Rather they run the offensive game plan against the CFL's best D to sharpen reaction and timing.

This is what they do. Film, plan, dry run, but the speed test is Esks Offense vs Esks D and Winner has to buy Lunch/dinner for the other side. IIRC it was mentioned D was 14-0, but the Offense has won the last few. This was said during last game IIRC.

[Eskie54]

Re: Eskimos offence......

Reading and watching the media post Calgary it was mentioned by a couple of guys think coach jones and Mike Reilly that we do not scout defences and our offence pits itself against our defence every week..

Now I have never heard of this prior to this incident and I have never heard of any team I've coached or know that does this..

This seems very strange to me and as good as our defence are, is that somewhat a reason behind our slow starts as it takes a good 3-4 drives to see what they throw at you in base, the adjustments to trips/empty etc
Seems like we are putting ourselves behind the 8 ball so to speak..

We scout every game and we look to take advantage of the weaknesses as well as package our plays suited to the front and coverages.. Yet the Eskimos do none of that.. Our defence is not like the 8 other teams ... How or what are we taking from it ? Apart from competition against a brilliant d..but that doesn't prepare you for what you will face on gamedays
Anyone else heard of this or coaches out there ( offensively) have you done this!
Could any of our resident stattos is compile our starts through the year.. Scores 1st drive first quarter / half maybe even first downs..

My questions
Who else does this?
Is this a common thing in Canadian ball?
What exactly is our gameplan week in week out ? When we don't rep a script or scout a defence
What does our offensive coaching staff do all week??

I must have missed the part about not scouting defences. If they did say it all I can think is that is just to give the media something to yap about.

[cmbuk]

Re: Eskimos offence......

sure there is a process behind it. whatever they choose to do.

coach trestman, pretty much sums up how i have always gonna about stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNmBq78MWSg

[pete]

Re: Eskimos offence......

The Eskies are on record saying they still scout the other team, still look at game film, still devise a game plan and script the first 15 plays to that plan. They still do a walk through for reads and looks, but what they don't do is a real speed set of run throughs against a scout team. Rather they run the offensive game plan against the CFL's best D to sharpen reaction and timing.

I really don't see a huge difference and any assertion that Coach Jones and his staff are not preparing the Offense appropriately for the games is ludicrous.

They will never play vs that D so why practice against it?! No one else runs the scheme CJ uses so why bother? Compare CJ's scheme to what Stubler is running. No comparison. Thats not exactly setting us up for success. I wonder if this is CJ's idea or McAdoos cuz I don't like it one bit. Your O needs timing and execution vs the scheme you will be playing as simulated by your scout team to be confident in the game plan. Not a fan of this.

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They will never play vs that D so why practice against it?! No one else runs the scheme CJ uses so why bother? Compare CJ's scheme to what Stubler is running. No comparison. Thats not exactly setting us up for success. I wonder if this is CJ's idea or McAdoos cuz I don't like it one bit. Your O needs timing and execution vs the scheme you will be playing as simulated by your scout team to be confident in the game plan. Not a fan of this.

We may as well practice vs 11 and the 46 D because the '85 Bears had the best D ever?!?

[Esks4ever]

Re: Eskimos offence......

I see the arguement for the O isn't practicing against what the opposition will being running, but I see it this way. Our D plays only Our D. Honing it to perfection and having it be 2nd nature, backups learning this system and only this system ,IMO, would make it easier for plug and play should someone go down.... And it seems to be working... I'll take that .

[pete]

Re: Eskimos offence......

I see the arguement for the O isn't practicing against what the opposition will being running, but I see it this way. Our D plays only Our D. Honing it to perfection and having it be 2nd nature, backups learning this system and only this system ,IMO, would make it easier for plug and play should someone go down.... And it seems to be working... I'll take that .

On the D side of things yes absolutely I agree with that as well. But from an O point of view, you need to practice against what you'll see that week.

[cmbuk]

Re: Eskimos offence......

On the D side of things yes absolutely I agree with that as well. But from an O point of view, you need to practice against what you'll see that week.

agree, otherwise that is just saying your defence is priority over offence.. and i very much doubt that is the case..

i can tell u from my own experience offences need the ****ing reps.. lol

[walleyes]

Re: Eskimos offence......

Not trying to be a dick here but we are questioning the coaching technique of the # 1 team in our league ??

The biggest problems with our offence can not be nailed down to not being ready for the opposing defence here guys,, its failure to finnish or execute the plays they are given. Failures to hold on to perfectly made passes never mind ever grabbing the marginal ones. Our lack of a top notch RB's that can make more than 6 yards in an open field and not trip over their own shoes.. Thus giving the coaching staff more options/confidence for the run game. Get these issues sowed up and in my eyes,, we would be running one of the top O's in the league..

JMHO of course.

[cmbuk]

Re: Eskimos offence......

Not trying to be a dick here but we are questioning the coaching technique of the # 1 team in our league ??

The biggest problems with our offence can not be nailed down to not being ready for the opposing defence here guys,, its failure to finnish or execute the plays they are given. Failures to hold on to perfectly made passes never mind ever grabbing the marginal ones. Our lack of a top notch RB's that can make more than 6 yards in an open field and not trip over their own shoes.. Thus giving the coaching staff more options/confidence for the run game. Get these issues sowed up and in my eyes,, we would be running one of the top O's in the league..

JMHO of course.

There is nothing wrong with self analysing as a staff, so I can't see a prob with it as a fan of your favourite team..

I would say we def have a problem beginning games offensively ( just like we have great 4th qtrs! )

There is never a right or wrong way to do things from a coaching standpoint it's personal preference but my op was to just say I find the way we don't scout we go out best on best and compete to be very different to what I have ever known..
Not for 1 sec am I saying anything bad about our coaching staff..

But our lack of run game is not down to our backs or even our oline.. It's about playcalling..

[Looner]

Re: Eskimos offence......

Our offence has been reeling since we lost one of our main pieces in John White. Follow that up with losing your shortly after and your off season offensive plan needs a revamp fairly quickly. Now that most of the pieces of the puzzle are back in the lineup I'm expecting us to get better week after week.