If Reilly Leaves....

[esks123]

We are kind of screwed. We end up as the team with the worst quarterbacking situation in the league pending further changes/moves.
I understand that lots of dominoes will fall over the next few months and things are quite murky right now, but if Reilly leaves, what do you see as our best option going forward? What do you see realistically happening?

Do we re-sign Glenn and roll with him and another young QB? Presumably we would have lots of money to spend elsewhere, although it wouldnt surprise me if our FA receivers(Williams, Walker, Mitchell) followed Reilly. Do you roll the dice with Jennings? Does Ray decide he wants to keep playing in a shared QB or backup role?

Scary times ahead potentially.

[Moon1]

Re: If Reilly Leaves....

Mike Reilly will, of course, depart the Esks sooner or later.
Hopefully, at 33, he has still several great years ahead. But, as a free agent, he could leave. Worse, an injury could sideline him.

Glenn and Ray each 39. Not really a solution beyond a season or two at best.

Last season the Esks did not play, let alone groom, any new young quarterback. Not sure why Kevin Glenn was on the roster, as he wasn’t used and allowed to rust away. Guess he was there in case Reilly went down? Regardless, no game time equals not ready.

Yes, if Reilly leaves back to the drawing board quarterback wise in Eskie land.

There is a lot that needs fixing so that we aren’t a 500 team or worse next year.

The real problem, don’t see the current “brain trust” as being able to accomplish much.

[eskfan152]

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Really hoping Reilly signs here, but if not, you have to sign one of the other big name free agents coming available. You don’t really list that in your choices, but that’s to me the most obvious.

[tigerdar]

Re: If Reilly Leaves....

We are kind of screwed. We end up as the team with the worst quarterbacking situation in the league pending further changes/moves.
I understand that lots of dominoes will fall over the next few months and things are quite murky right now, but if Reilly leaves, what do you see as our best option going forward? What do you see realistically happening?

Do we re-sign Glenn and roll with him and another young QB? Presumably we would have lots of money to spend elsewhere, although it wouldnt surprise me if our FA receivers(Williams, Walker, Mitchell) followed Reilly. Do you roll the dice with Jennings? Does Ray decide he wants to keep playing in a shared QB or backup role?

Scary times ahead potentially.

Trevor Harris as a FA as are alot of CFL QBs why not go after him. Bryant Mitchell has had six NFL workouts so he might have a shot at hitting down there

[writfiler]

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Harris isn’t going anywhere, as he’s said in the past he wants to stay in Ottawa....

[glenvb]

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Oof. It's got to be Reilly.

If we really have to think of someone else who's available...maybe Maas can weave some magic with Jennings.

[BeaverSports]

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Oof. It's got to be Reilly.

If we really have to think of someone else who's available...maybe Maas can weave some magic with Jennings.

I’d go after Harris, but I think he wants to stay in Ottawa - unless Sunderland has history there. Maybe you look to Winnipeg and a trade for Nichols or Streveler, whoever isn’t staying.

[cmbuk]

Re: If Reilly Leaves....

Mike Reilly will, of course, depart the Esks sooner or later.
Hopefully, at 33, he has still several great years ahead. But, as a free agent, he could leave. Worse, an injury could sideline him.

Glenn and Ray each 39. Not really a solution beyond a season or two at best.

Last season the Esks did not play, let alone groom, any new young quarterback. Not sure why Kevin Glenn was on the roster, as he wasn’t used and allowed to rust away. Guess he was there in case Reilly went down? Regardless, no game time equals not ready.

Yes, if Reilly leaves back to the drawing board quarterback wise in Eskie land.

There is a lot that needs fixing so that we aren’t a 500 team or worse next year.

The real problem, don’t see the current “brain trust” as being able to accomplish much.

To be honest... I don’t see anyone in the league really grooming anyone at the qb position .. I still feel we’re one of the best at Qb development even going back to Nichols and franklin as guys we have brought through and started .. u could argue Masoli as well if your stretching it.. but really no one has anyone on their roster than is close to being ready to be a starter for the other 8 teams..

The only other 1 I can think of in recent times is Toronto, who had a spell of harris/ collaros backing up ray..

Feels like no one is developing qbs.. if bo leaves cal there in trouble same for us, bc has no decent Qb, sask no, Toronto no ( Ray is an equaliser but I don’t expect him to play ) winnipeg have streveller who imho cannot pass for toffee.. he’s a nice change up Qb but he’s not a 18 game sterter..

So whilst we really don’t have a next in line now because of reillys success and longevity ( franklin is still imho someone I would bring back ) we’re realisticly in no worse position than any of the other 8 teams..

[ben_the_eskimo]

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To be honest... I don’t see anyone in the league really grooming anyone at the qb position .. I still feel we’re one of the best at Qb development even going back to Nichols and franklin as guys we have brought through and started .. u could argue Masoli as well if your stretching it.. but really no one has anyone on their roster than is close to being ready to be a starter for the other 8 teams..

The only other 1 I can think of in recent times is Toronto, who had a spell of harris/ collaros backing up ray..

Feels like no one is developing qbs.. if bo leaves cal there in trouble same for us, bc has no decent Qb, sask no, Toronto no ( Ray is an equaliser but I don’t expect him to play ) winnipeg have streveller who imho cannot pass for toffee.. he’s a nice change up Qb but he’s not a 18 game sterter..

So whilst we really don’t have a next in line now because of reillys success and longevity ( franklin is still imho someone I would bring back ) we’re realisticly in no worse position than any of the other 8 teams..

I agree. Burris and Reilly have both had career years working with Maas so I’m confident that whoever we brought in would be more likely to succeed here than most other places (like Sask with McAdoo).

I still think Reilly will be back though.

[Esks4ever]

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Ya know what..... During the tail end of the season I was constantly wondering what if ( Reilly leave).. fast forward to right now and I just dont care. Rhodes has managed to kill off a long rooted love affair between myself and the Esks. Before Esks where front and center in everything i did...They and a lesser extent the CFL where my #1 priority ...today they are well down the list. Thanks Rhodes, thanks TSN.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

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Ya know what..... During the tail end of the season I was constantly wondering what if ( Reilly leave).. fast forward to right now and I just dont care. Rhodes has managed to kill off a long rooted love affair between myself and the Esks. Before Esks where front and center in everything i did...They and a lesser extent the CFL where my #1 priority ...today they are well down the list. Thanks Rhodes, thanks TSN.

I get the Rhodes thing, but why TSN?

To me, I see TSN as having added so much more to building the game than detracting from it. Yes, they impact the schedule by needing to meet their needs, but through growing the coverage exponentially for the game, adding things like the draft, combine, and social media contributions, building out the talent around that coverage (Smith, Dunigan, Stegall, Barker, Sanchez, Burris, Forde, Schinetti, Orleskky, McKenna, Taylor, Miller, Cuthbert... I'll leave out Suitor and Black )... I would have thought them to be a major net positive.

Help me understand why they have sapped interest for you if you could.

[cmbuk]

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Ya know what..... During the tail end of the season I was constantly wondering what if ( Reilly leave).. fast forward to right now and I just dont care. Rhodes has managed to kill off a long rooted love affair between myself and the Esks. Before Esks where front and center in everything i did...They and a lesser extent the CFL where my #1 priority ...today they are well down the list. Thanks Rhodes, thanks TSN.

1 man won’t dispell your love for something... u will be ok bud.. our team is our team.. long before Rhodes and long long after..
Stay the course brother.... it will be worth it

[GreatWhiteNorth]

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[QUOTE=cmbuk;857649]To be honest... I don’t see anyone in the league really grooming anyone at the qb position .. I still feel we’re one of the best at Qb development even going back to Nichols and franklin as guys we have brought through and started .. u could argue Masoli as well if your stretching it.. but really no one has anyone on their roster than is close to being ready to be a starter for the other 8 teams..

The only other 1 I can think of in recent times is Toronto, who had a spell of harris/ collaros backing up ray..

Feels like no one is developing qbs.. if bo leaves cal there in trouble same for us, bc has no decent Qb, sask no, Toronto no ( Ray is an equaliser but I don’t expect him to play ) winnipeg have streveller who imho cannot pass for toffee.. he’s a nice change up Qb but he’s not a 18 game sterter..

So whilst we really don’t have a next in line now because of reillys success and longevity ( franklin is still imho someone I would bring back ) we’re realisticly in no worse position than any of the other 8 teams..[/QUOTEdonIt is a weird phase that we're in with QBs, and I think, in part, there have been a few key contributors to what you describe.

We've had a lot of good QB talent come along at the same time that hasn't been at the end of their career. With Reilly, Mitchell, Harris, Masoli, Nichols, and even Collaros (prior to his injuries), you have guys that would seemingly have 3-5 years in front of them... and until now, a high level of stability that they will not leave via free agency. It puts less priority over developing the next guy.

That dovetails into the next element - the emergence of the specialist/"athlete" QB, where due to lack of urgency for succession, teams have been able to employ a QB with a specific package of plays. Chris Jones didn't invent it, but he certainly had the luxury of utilizing it effectively when he had Nichols and then Franklin as viable insurance plans behind Reilly.

The other factor I see is the lack of visibility into younger guys developing, as we haven't seen much of them play. Streveller and Pippin are two guys we know about, and we saw a little of Arbuckle and Shiltz, but for the most part, starters tend to go wire to wire these days quite often. I would argue, to a degree, we don't know what some teams have in terms of pipeline talent.

Finally, I think we can be quick to give up on guys that hit some turbulence. Jonathon Jennings has thrown for 5000 yds in a season up here if I'm not mistaken, and James Franklin has shown all the skills needed to succeed at times. To me, they are very much guys in development, but have possibly been rushed a little, at least by comparison to Masoli, Nichols and Harris. I don't believe that either should be given up on yet either. One could argue that Manziel belongs in that category, based on accomplishments elsewhere demonstrating the talent, but the need to adapt it and overcome other challenges.

[Moon1]

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Ya know what..... During the tail end of the season I was constantly wondering what if ( Reilly leave).. fast forward to right now and I just dont care. Rhodes has managed to kill off a long rooted love affair between myself and the Esks. Before Esks where front and center in everything i did...They and a lesser extent the CFL where my #1 priority ...today they are well down the list. Thanks Rhodes, thanks TSN.

Admire your frankness and perspective. With all the abysmal years since 2005, Macocia, ET, etc, etc, save the one great year in 2015 (with the promise of dynasty ripped away by Sask and Rhodes) - I’m getting really fed up as well.

But hell, I saw Jackie Parker play. I lived and breathed Esk football during the Hugh Campbell years. I’m not going anywhere. The team is too much a part of my DNA. They’ll have to morph into something else that is no longer the CFL green and gold out of Edmonton for me to stop caring about them.

But where are the Jackie Parkers, Warren Moons, great seasons and GC wins to cement the new fans to the team? All I see is 2015 in the last 13 years. That’s not nearly enough.

And frankly- I don’t see anything except same old for next year. Going to have a punt return game next year. Will a stronger D magically appear. Awesome consistent run game going to materialize. Mike Reilly going to be in Edmonton (if not we ought be in a more solid 5th place next year). Same “ brain trust” running the show next year as this year, and I don’t think replacing a couple of the assistant coaches going to change much. Rhodes still going to prioritize tinsel instead of winning. Maas still periodically going to look overwhelmed.

[Esks4ever]

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I get the Rhodes thing, but why TSN?
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Their favoritism to certain teams.

Their gimmicks live mic - regular joe won't give a **** or understands what Omaha or **** beiber is. You want Mic> Mic the right people. Not the QB.

And tin foil hat - they put the most money into the league right ? So essentially they can control it. I fully believe they have the ability to control out comes of games to suit their desires/ make for "way better tv" after all they started the moniker no lead is safe. Combine that with the fact the commish doesn't really ever speak about the ****ty officiating. Completely ignores it instead talks about player safety and expansion despite the officiating is whats killing the game. In order for him to do something about it there'd have to be a non controlling entity right? Commish fixes it, they cant control it therefore he'll never fix it - to please TSN


still think they had a major hand us losing our entire coaching staff to Sask ( their golden child) and certainly looooved mentioning it over and over again during the grey cup game WE where in.


Rod Black

Suitor

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Admire your frankness and perspective. With all the abysmal years since 2006, Macocia, ET, etc, etc, save the one great year in 2015 (with the promise of dynasty ripped away by Sask and Rhodes) - I’m getting really fed up as well.

But hell, I saw Jackie Parker play. I lived and breathed Esk football during the Hugh Campbell years. I’m not going anywhere. The team is too much a part of my DNA. They’ll have to morph into something else that is no longer the CFL green and gold out of Edmonton for me to stop caring about them.

But where are the Jackie Parkers, Warren Moons, great seasons and GC wins to cement the new fans to the team? All I see is 2015 in the last 13 years. That’s not nearly enough.

And frankly- I don’t see anything except same old for next year. Going to have a punt return game next year. Will a stronger D magically appear. Awesome consistent run game going to materialize. Mike Reilly going to be in Edmonton (if not we ought be in a more solids 5th place next year). Same “ brain trust” running the show next year as this year, and I don’t think replacing a couple of the assistant coaches going to change much. Rhodes still going to prioritize tinsel instead of winning. Maas still going periodically going to look overwhelmed.

oh I still care about the Esks...but i've learned over the while not to worry about issues like is Reilly leaving...The CFl doesn't command my attention as much as it was. I've been going to games since the 80s, and my father since early 70s. It was the only thing we ever did as father and son, and since his passing being at the games is a lot more painful than it should and watching the **** show of Rhodes amplifies that.