Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

[gizmo fan 2]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

You really want a 33-34 year old MLB?? Games to fast.. If your gonna pay that money has to be on someone that will be here for a while..

The fact that Davis wanted mo Lloyd money translated to me it was more money motivated than remaining an Eskimo..
With ray, regardless of how I thought his play had diminished, no one could question he put himself out for the better of this club..in terms of cap room.

Seems Davis is not that way. For me, I would rather let em go than be the ones who paid big bucks continually on durden, Samuels, Morgan, Lloyd.. Year upon year.. And finding out they were products of system, rather than ballers

Why wouldn't he be here for at least a couple of years? Lots of guys in the league in his age range.

You're forgetting...a guy can be cut/re-negotiated if his production drops. Happens all the time.

All the signings you mentioned were products of other teams' systems that were brought in from elsewhere - not re-signings (and heck, most people weren't all that fired up about them coming here anyways). That thought process holds absolutely no water, unless you assume that our coaches are too dumb to take into consideration the past two years they spent working with the guy in person.

When you KNOW you have a guy that works within your team with your personnel and produces at a high level...you can afford to pay him.

Know how many LB's that are still in the league had more tackles than him last year? One. And he (R. Williams) had fewer tackles per game (91 in 17 compared to 79 in 14).

Sure, it's expensive. Known commodities are always more expensive than unknown commodities...because you have a better idea of what to expect from them. Not everyone we bring in is going to be a Sherritt.

[HFXTC]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Don't have to sweat it anymore. Signed with the Als. This one comes out of nowhere, some GM's really keep their cards close to the vest.

[cmbuk]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Why wouldn't he be here for at least a couple of years? Lots of guys in the league in his age range.

You're forgetting...a guy can be cut/re-negotiated if his production drops. Happens all the time.

All the signings you mentioned were products of other teams' systems that were brought in from elsewhere - not re-signings (and heck, most people weren't all that fired up about them coming here anyways). That thought process holds absolutely no water, unless you assume that our coaches are too dumb to take into consideration the past two years they spent working with the guy in person.

When you KNOW you have a guy that works within your team with your personnel and produces at a high level...you can afford to pay him.

Know how many LB's that are still in the league had more tackles than him last year? One. And he (R. Williams) had fewer tackles per game (91 in 17 compared to 79 in 14).

Sure, it's expensive. Known commodities are always more expensive than unknown commodities...because you have a better idea of what to expect from them. Not everyone we bring in is going to be a Sherritt.

I felt the same way about Lloyd last year, I know one got cut the other free agent, but I felt after 2010 Lloyd would be great for us in 2011,
But seeing what we did last year and how well it worked, I guess, I have bought into the idea a lot now.. But I do know what your saying. I wouldn't be complaining if rod was still an Eskimo.

[BUCK]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Dave Campbell is reporting on Twitter that Rod Davis is signing with Montreal. In fact John MacKinnon reported that Eric Tillman told him that he should take Montreal's offer. Hmm, I don't think that is what he told Greg Carr after Carr told him that he had agreed to terms with the Bombers.

[Beerfish]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Quite unimpressed by FA. Two import receivers and a NI interior dlineman of which we have a group already. I guess Carr got an extra chunk of cash because we struck out on labatte and had all of that ricky ray left over cap flexible money.

[ben_the_eskimo]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

The fact that Davis wanted mo Lloyd money translated to me it was more money motivated than remaining an Eskimo..
With ray, regardless of how I thought his play had diminished, no one could question he put himself out for the better of this club..in terms of cap room.

Seems Davis is not that way. For me, I would rather let em go than be the ones who paid big bucks continually on durden, Samuels, Morgan, Lloyd.. Year upon year.. And finding out they were products of system, rather than ballers

This wasn't a case of Davis being greedy. Rod is a legitimate six figure guy and his play over the last couple of seasons warranted a contract in the neighborhood of 120k. Its incredible when you take into account the production he put up last year as a veteran player for close to league minimum. The fact that we offered 80-90k is a slap in the face IMO.

[Angelus]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

You really want a 33-34 year old MLB?? Games to fast.. If your gonna pay that money has to be on someone that will be here for a while..

The fact that Davis wanted mo Lloyd money translated to me it was more money motivated than remaining an Eskimo..
With ray, regardless of how I thought his play had diminished, no one could question he put himself out for the better of this club..in terms of cap room.

Seems Davis is not that way. For me, I would rather let em go than be the ones who paid big bucks continually on durden, Samuels, Morgan, Lloyd.. Year upon year.. And finding out they were products of system, rather than ballers

You don't think it says something that it was Montreal that signed him? Montreal who quietly every year does exactly what they need to in order to contend.

He's 30 now. He's got at least 3 good years left. Plus, contracts are never guaranteed.

We have a tonne of cap space. Where is it going to go?

[cmbuk]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

That mate.. I don't know

[Esks4ever]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

We have a tonne of cap space. Where is it going to go?

Pretty sure its not going to be Fantuz. Perhaps someone we dont know about yet ?

[turftoe27]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

E.T. on CFL.ca says that with the change in DC we are going to a 4-3 D.

[Hugoagogo]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

John MacKinnon from the journal tweeted last night
"#Esks GM Tillman said club offered LB Rod Davis $30,000 - $40,000 raise on his low salary, but #als obviously bid higher. #cfl"

Translation - Tillman offered him 30,000. Funny how ET can be more specific about where other teams are spending their money than he can with his own club.

[Inquiring Mind]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

John MacKinnon from the journal tweeted last night
"#Esks GM Tillman said club offered LB Rod Davis $30,000 - $40,000 raise on his low salary, but #als obviously bid higher. #cfl"

Translation - Tillman offered him 30,000. Funny how ET can be more specific about where other teams are spending their money than he can with his own club.

He enjoys yanking everyones chains and people talking about him...that's why he never stops talking, nor says the same thing twice.

[Looner]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Sorry to see Davis go but happy its at least out east.

[BUCK]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Sorry to see Davis go but happy its at least out east.

Rod is a good guy and I wish the best for him. On a sidenote, I am curious as to how his deep south way of communicating combines with French / Canadian...

[HFXTC]

Re: Tillman is offering Rod Davis below market value (Anton Mackenzie comparison)

Rod is a good guy and I wish the best for him. On a sidenote, I am curious as to how his deep south way of communicating combines with French / Canadian...

Maybe he's got a bit of Cajun he can use But you don't need French to get around in Montreal. I had to get some documents last year for my passport and they went out of their way to serve me in English, things have changed a lot like everywhere in our country.

Popp says Davis was coach Trestman's top request to anchor Montreal's new 34 defense.