Quinton Porter Released...

[GreatWhiteNorth]

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Porter was set to be a free agent, Hamilton let him go early. With all the potential free agents, I'd not seen any discussion on any football boards about any teams having interest in Porter. I think he's slightly ahead of Jyles as far as ability goes.

Curious as to why you would rank him above Jyles in terms of ability based on their overall body of work? With Jyles, he put together enough to at least tempt a few personnel evaluators (Barker and Tillman) into seeing him having starting potential.

Talented backups who have what it takes find a way to become starters. Lulay, Tate, Ray, whoever...if they are starter material, it happens. Either with their current team or a different one. Players like McPherson and Porter I want no part of.

I would separate out McPherson as well. Worth noting that he's had AC as a mentor in addition to being stuck behind him. No doubt he heard lots about how AC bided his time behind Ham, learned from him and took over the mantle of a successful team. Two years ago when he last re-signed in Mtl, he probably had every belief that AC would've retired by the end of his contract, and at that time, with three years in and not a lot of game tape, he wouldn't have had the appeal that he does now. He's not my first choice of the guys available on the market (Reilly is) but I would much rather see him in Green and Gold than Porter.

In Porter, you're talking about a guy that was behind an aging starter, with the only remaining QB being Dan Lefevour and his one year of exposure to a CFL sideline. If there was potential, it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't be a priority signing there based on situation. I don't see anything that he brings in terms of upside that would put him ahead of the intangibles of other veteran options - and I'm also in the camp of finding a way to ensure that those other veteran options aren't on the sidelines week one.

[BeaverSports]

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I've always liked Porter, I'd bring him out as I think he's a better option than Jyles or Joseph. I did think McPherson had some good qualities and I'm really interested in Reilly, but this is a trade up from what the team has and that's worthwhile if none of the free agents come to pass.

[HFXTC]

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Talented backups who have what it takes find a way to become starters. Lulay, Tate, Ray, whoever...if they are starter material, it happens. Either with their current team or a different one. Players like McPherson and Porter I want no part of.

That's the issue. They both are looking for starter's jobs/opportunities. I doubt a team is going to give any of them starter money or up front money. But as backups they are superior to Jyles and Joseph. Their age is also going to play against them, they are both around 30 years old.

[Hugoagogo]

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Curious as to why you would rank him above Jyles in terms of ability based on their overall body of work? With Jyles, he put together enough to at least tempt a few personnel evaluators (Barker and Tillman) into seeing him having starting potential.

I'm no expert, just fan observations, but I think Porter is better at his reads and in finding his second or third receiver. I think Jyles locks in and doesn't see the field as well. As well, Jyles seems to have lost some of his mobility - perhaps the problem last year was in not moving the pocket as much as they should have, so that may be more about the OC than than QB.

[tigerdar]

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I'm no expert, just fan observations, but I think Porter is better at his reads and in finding his second or third receiver. I think Jyles locks in and doesn't see the field as well. As well, Jyles seems to have lost some of his mobility - perhaps the problem last year was in not moving the pocket as much as they should have, so that may be more about the OC than than QB.

Can we just all agree that they both kinda suck and none of us hope we ever hear your starting quarter is Stephen Jyles or Quinton Porter

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Curious as to why you would rank him above Jyles in terms of ability based on their overall body of work? With Jyles, he put together enough to at least tempt a few personnel evaluators (Barker and Tillman) into seeing him having starting potential.



I would separate out McPherson as well. Worth noting that he's had AC as a mentor in addition to being stuck behind him. No doubt he heard lots about how AC bided his time behind Ham, learned from him and took over the mantle of a successful team. Two years ago when he last re-signed in Mtl, he probably had every belief that AC would've retired by the end of his contract, and at that time, with three years in and not a lot of game tape, he wouldn't have had the appeal that he does now. He's not my first choice of the guys available on the market (Reilly is) but I would much rather see him in Green and Gold than Porter.

In Porter, you're talking about a guy that was behind an aging starter, with the only remaining QB being Dan Lefevour and his one year of exposure to a CFL sideline. If there was potential, it's hard to imagine that he wouldn't be a priority signing there based on situation. I don't see anything that he brings in terms of upside that would put him ahead of the intangibles of other veteran options - and I'm also in the camp of finding a way to ensure that those other veteran options aren't on the sidelines week one.

Whose to say that the guy making the personnel decisions in Hamilton didn't make a mistake or wasn't biased? I'm not saying Porter is the anwser either but there are a lot of reasons why QBs don't succeed or do not get the number 1 job and it's not always because he doesn't have the ability or has fundamental flaws...football is a team game so you have to take a look at all the moving parts IMO...all I want Ed Hervey et all to do as a fan of the esks is to turn over every rock to find a starting QB...do the work...watch the game film...come to your own conclusion as to whether or not a guy is worth bringing in for a looksee or should not be considered...I don't want any of the Esks player analysis based on what's gone on with a player's opportunities with some other club in the past and based on that record either dismissing the player out of hand or alternatively anointing him as the starter.

This may sound stupid but last year when Barker was seriously getting close to trading for RR he did the right thing by having himself and SM pour over Ray's previous season of game film to ensure that they were making the right decision and weren't missing something in Ricky's game and not simply basing the decision on RR's past success.

If Porter is a viable alternative then just take the time to evaluate him on film that's all I want EH/KR to do because for me finding a starting QB is job 1 for this club and so they need to go the extra mile as far as I'm concerned.

[danlaurin]

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Whose to say that the guy making the personnel decisions in Hamilton didn't make a mistake or wasn't biased? I'm not saying Porter is the answer either but there are a lot of reasons why QBs don't succeed or do not get the number 1 job and it's not always because he doesn't have the ability or has fundamental flaws...football is a team game so you have to take a look at all the moving parts IMO...all I want Ed Hervey et all to do as a fan of the esks is to turn over every rock to find a starting QB...do the work...watch the game film...come to your own conclusion as to whether or not a guy is worth bringing in for a looksee or should not be considered...I don't want any of the Esks player analysis based on what's gone on with a player's opportunities with some other club in the past and based on that record either dismissing the player out of hand or alternatively anointing him as the starter.

This may sound stupid but last year when Barker was seriously getting close to trading for RR he did the right thing by having himself and SM pour over Ray's previous season of game film to ensure that they were making the right decision and weren't missing something in Ricky's game and not simply basing the decision on RR's past success.

If Porter is a viable alternative then just take the time to evaluate him on film that's all I want EH/KR to do because for me finding a starting QB is job 1 for this club and so they need to go the extra mile as far as I'm concerned.

The Year Porter had the starting job given to him when Printers showed he was not a legitimate starter Porter @#@# the bed so Hamilton picked up Kevin Glenn. I do think Hamilton gave up on him too soon but who knows for sure.

Porter made his first start on September 27, 2008. Porter was sacked ten times by the BC Lions defense and went 14-of-27 for 144 yards with two interceptions in a 40-10 loss.[6] His performance in his second start, 27-of-32 passing for 429 yards and five touchdowns including running himself for 42 yards on six carries, earned him the CFL's Offensive Player of the Week honours[7] as well as the team's unexpected victory over the East's first place team, the Montreal Alouettes, and solidified his position as the number one quarterback on the Ti-Cats roster until the emergence of Kevin Glenn.[8] For the 2010 and 2011 seasons, Porter was second string, backing up Glenn, in addition to coming in for short yardage situations.

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The Year Porter had the starting job given to him when Printers showed he was not a legitimate starter Porter @#@# the bed so Hamilton picked up Kevin Glenn. I do think Hamilton gave up on him too soon but who knows for sure.

Porter made his first start on September 27, 2008. Porter was sacked ten times by the BC Lions defense and went 14-of-27 for 144 yards with two interceptions in a 40-10 loss.[6] His performance in his second start, 27-of-32 passing for 429 yards and five touchdowns including running himself for 42 yards on six carries, earned him the CFL's Offensive Player of the Week honours[7] as well as the team's unexpected victory over the East's first place team, the Montreal Alouettes, and solidified his position as the number one quarterback on the Ti-Cats roster until the emergence of Kevin Glenn.[8] For the 2010 and 2011 seasons, Porter was second string, backing up Glenn, in addition to coming in for short yardage situations.

And there are different reasons why a QB gets sacked 10 times and throws 2 interceptions in a game some of which are the QB's issue and some of which are not. Alternatively there are reasons why QBs have 400+ yard games combined with 5 TD passes not all of which you can credit to the QBs play. The Esks need to put in the time and watch game film and make their own conclusions...don't depend on past statistics or on the evaluation of other player personnel departments to do the work for them especially when it comes to priority 1 for this football club which IMO is finding a starting QB....I'm more interested if someone tells me things like he often overthrows receivers or has happy feet and abandons the pocket much too soon or that he appears to have trouble reading defenses or has a slow release...those type of things...and as far as I'm concerned you need to pour over game film to make that type of analysis.

[esks123]

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I have zero interest in Porter. And i would not be interested in trading for Brink or Elliot who are apparently on the trading block.

If I were the Esks GM, My #1 priority when FA starts would be to sign Reilly and let him and Nichols duke it out in TC (release Jyles and Joseph). Id also bring in another prospect or two to push Masoli as 3rd string. Go with "young guns", make it clear that we are developing a young QB this coming season, and Im sure fans will understand/support the decision. Going young doesnt necessarily mean we are throwing in the towel on the season either, just take a look down south with Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, and Luck all having superb seasons.

I cant seem to make up my mind about McPherson, as Ive been up and down on him for quite a while now. If Reilly isnt available when FA hits, I wouldnt be opposed to signing McPherson to compete with Nichols(provided both Jyles and Joseph are released). Theres a good chance he turns out to be another Jyles, but IMO he hasnt gotten enough playing time to completely write him off just yet. Watching Kaepernick with the niners, a dual-threat, tall, strong, quick and agile QB sort of makes me wonder whether McPherson can play a similar style and be successful up here. We havent seen too many mobile QBs in the CFL lately, as they seem to get injured pretty quickly and change their style of play. But a strong and tall runner like McPherson kind of intrigues me. He just doesnt seem like he'd be as injury prone.

[Hugoagogo]

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In the grand scheme of things, Porter, Brink or Elliot are not the solution. Somewhere on the bench we do need some experience though.

[234ever]

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If he was any good he would have left the Als and gone to try and start with another team. Guaranteed wages with no wear and tear on the body. A good gig if you can get it.

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[Soudog]

Quinton Porter released by Ti-Cats

The obvious question: Should the Eskimos pick him up?

If I'm Ed Hervey, I'm signin' him....

Let the debate begin!

[Hugoagogo]

Re: Quinton Porter released by Ti-Cats

begun...
http://www.esksfans.com/forum/showth...orter-Released

[boydo]

Re: Quinton Porter released by Ti-Cats

Jeez Dog....not often I beat you to the punch...

[Soudog]

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begun...
http://www.esksfans.com/forum/showth...orter-Released

Ahhh... thanks. Missed that... Personally, I think the guy's good... Always thought Richie Williams deserved a better shot, too... Neither one's ever been given a decent chance... Ti-Cats have always brought in someone to start ahead of both. I think if the Esks brought Porter in, he'd give Nichols/Joseph/whomever a good run for the starting job...